Calling policemen "assholes" to their face

The BBQ Pit
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You can go in and talk to a superior the following day if you feel like the LEO was truly out of line but if you were cussing at the LEO what little credibility you had is now gone, this is on top of the fact that cussing at a LEO is generally not a good idea.
As far as “asserting your rights”, I feel that you have to pick your battles carefully and cussing at a LEO is unwise (at best).
With all of that being said, let me pass on to you my thoughts/feelings regarding LEO’s, law enforcement is a shitty, low paying job and I am very glad that there are people in this world that are willing to get shot at and deal with the idiots for crapola money, if the world was dependent on folks like me, there would not be any LEO’s.

unclviny

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Absolutely!

Wishing you all a happy Labor Day…

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A free citizen can file complaints, with or without a lawyer after the incident. I am talking about exercising judicious judgement in a situation where the police have all the advantages.

Of course if you want to act like a “free citizen” (whatever that is) then by all means do so. I have previously stated that it’s a lot easier to make your type of argument here than on the street.

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That’s very funny.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I have all the respect in the world for police officers, just as much as I have for any person. But to tell people that they can’t assert themselves when someone else is being a dick is just fucking ridiculous.

There’s no need to instigate an incident yourself, but lying down and taking it is bullshit.

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The above is absolutely assinine(YMMV though). I have experience in this arena with the police as well. You can imagine how it turned out. After getting roughed up by a cop for not giving him the vital details of my life and accused of using cocaine, pot, crank and alcohol(none of these had I touched), I called to make a complaint(Note: I used no opprobious language in this situation).

The watch commander said that he had been on the scene and since I was standing on the sidewalk in front of my house I was a “threat”, and he wouldn’t allow me to file any complaints. Right, a man in a pair of shorts with no shoes on and no weapon standing a hundred feet away from a ticketing is a real threat.

The same cop busted into my house a year later and tossed my residence because of some firecrackers on the 4th of July, cuffed me, ate my steak, dumped garbage cans on the floors of every room, made lewd comments about anything he came across(porno mags), accused me of burning a house down the night before(Quote: I know you did it and I’ll prove it-funny thing, I was out of town that night), accused me of being a thief because I owned lots of electronics, accused me of starting a “militia” because I had some military rifles(WWI and older), ripped the speaker grills off of my speakers, threatened to fuck with me at my work, falsified a police document and said that he had seized 18 grams of pot from my house(a visitor had brought less than a gram with him)…the list goes on and on.

I lost my court case because the judge decided that since I didn’t put myself in his way as he forced his way in that I “consented to the search”. Of course, had I done this, I would have gotten beaten by this guy. I mean, he’d put me in an arm bar and forced my wallet out of my pants for refusing to give him my name and address upon request when not being held for anything, why should I have expected to come out of it without getting my ass beat if I had stood up to him?

Chandeleur- I have so much respect for a LEO who holds your opinions. It is a rarity and I am truly impressed.

Sam

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Here is a little advice that you may wish to consider if you are faced with an officer, regardless of how his or her demeanor appears. Remember, he has all the aces up his sleeve, you’re high card is probably a 5.
[ol]
[li]He is going to win any confrontation that happens. Everything is on his side, including the judge. Yes they do lie in court, and they are very good at it, and you will never be able to prove otherwise, because he is assumed to be telling the truth. Bring in a car load of nuns to court with you who swear you are telling the truth, and he is lying, you still loose – he is a cop. [/li]
[li]Making a scene, no matter how justified, only serves to make the officer remember you, and not in a friendly way. It is better to take the crap now than to swim in it later. [/li]
[li]Third. One way or another, s/he will make notes, either on a field contact form, the back of his copy of a traffic citation (you ever see them sitting in their car beside the road, writing, guess what they’re doing?) or an arrest report. If you make it personal, you are in for more of a surprise than you think.[/li]
[li]Fourth. There is most assuredly a policy, albeit unwritten, that is a desire to “train” that element they perceive to be obnoxious, to become nice friendly law abiding citizens. This is done by turning molehills into mountains. A ticket for littering becomes defacing public property, or disturbing the peace, or something more seroius. Sometimes this is referred to as “felonious mouth”. That means you talked yourself into more trouble than the officer imagined possible when he stopped you. Guaranteed, you’ll loose every time. Right, wrong, whatever, s/he wins. [/li]
[li]Fifth, the Attitude Arrest. Bogus charges, but non the less, you spend a few hours in jail until you make bail Then you go to court only to find out charges are not dropped, but pending, that is, pending until they decide whether to prosecute, which will happen just after the time expires for you to file any complaint on the matter has run. [/li][/ol]

I would suggest that you take whatever abuse comes your way, politely. And note, metally, the badge number, or name, of the officer. Telling him nothing of your plan. Tomorrow is soon enough to get the dogs on the case.

But, learn the hard way if that is what it takes.

If you didn’t know, this is how California LEO’s do it. I’m referring to. There is a section in the penal code that may apply to those who think it is wise to get in the nice officers face, it is section two (2) of PC 26. PC26
This probably applies to those who do “demand their rights” when the nice officer is debating between his club and mace for you, as your demeanor makes you appear “under the influence” and he feels his safety is threatened.

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No matter what, stand by your rights. If you don’t, you’ll get fucked in the end. In fact, we all do because LEOs can run amok doing whatever they choose to whomever they choose.

Sam

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It’s almost always completely fucking stupid to cuss out a cop. And, in life in general, when you find yourself cussing at somebody, it’s often the case that you haven’t fully grasped the situation, or you don’t possess the means with which to successfully deal with it.

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Just an observation; no cite.

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You want to know something wierd?

I’ve had a lot of interactions with police, both personally and interactions with othersI have witnessed.

With the exception of 2 asshole Miami Township(Ohio) cops who tried to goad me into a fight 20 years ago(and left disappointed), every cop I’ve personally dealt with has been professional and polite. I have seen LA cops act like assholes to friends of mine. But to be fair, my friends, at the time, were a bit on the confrontational and belligerent side. Even in my lawless days, I was a polite and courteous indivual.

I don’t know if that means anything. I just thought it was kinda strange.