[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
Actually, it seems that many people here seem to believe that sanction is impossible for nudity, including nude bondage shots and direct shots of genitalia because it’s “art.”
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No. We seem to believe that you’ve offered no evidence that these pictures were for sexual gratification of the teacher, given the long tradition of artists’ models not getting turned on by their work.
Daniel
[QUOTE=Spectre of Pithecanthropus]
I still haven’t seen the pictures. Like all things with this level of controversy, they have disappeared with the alacrity of a drop of mercury on a mountaintop once the controversy explodes.
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Google had them cached under the Save Manny blog url, looks like the cache has changed..
And on a different note, isn’t Texas an “At Will” state with regards to employment?
[QUOTE=Duke of Rat]
And on a different note, isn’t Texas an “At Will” state with regards to employment?
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Doesn’t matter if there was an employment contract. “At Will” applies to situations where there is no contract or union involved.
[QUOTE=Oakminster]
Doesn’t matter if there was an employment contract. “At Will” applies to situations where there is no contract or union involved.
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OK, thanks. I wondered about the teacher’s union, but wasn’t sure.
My unreserved apologies to Unregistered Bull, for some reason I was thinking we were in the pit. I’d report myself, only I’ve just discovered something interesting: there’s no “report bad post” button for your own posts.
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness]
No. We seem to believe that you’ve offered no evidence that these pictures were for sexual gratification of the teacher, given the long tradition of artists’ models not getting turned on by their work.
Daniel
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So, if this lady had acted in a hardcore pornographic film for European market, distributed it publically, and the film became common knowledge amongst school officials, then since she didn’t receive any sexual gratification, she wouldn’t get in trouble?
[QUOTE=Oakminster]
Really stretching to call the pictures that were linked earlier in this thread “bondage shots”. Some of them were mildly suggestive of D/s themes, but nothing remotely close to extreme. Calling any of those pictures “genitalia shots” is outright fabrication. I remember one shot, mostly composed of shadows, that featured a nude woman from approximately her navel to mid-thigh. Don’t think it was visually apparrent whether she chooses to shave her pubes or not. Definitely didn’t see any Hustler style spreadeagle shots.
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LOL. Handcuffed hands, dog collars, nudity, arms stretched above her head, a feigned look of fear. That’s a bondage shot partner.
Since the direct shots of her genital area were in shadows, I’ll let you get by with your argument. I picked it up from another poster here anyway. But arguing against the bondage aspect is just, well it’s just plain silly.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
LOL. Handcuffed hands, dog collars, nudity, arms stretched above her head, a feigned look of fear. That’s a bondage shot partner.
Since the direct shots of her genital area were in shadows, I’ll let you get by with your argument. I picked it up from another poster here anyway. But arguing against the bondage aspect is just, well it’s just plain silly.
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But is the intent pornographic? PETA activists have appeared in public caged, naked and in chains in order to draw attention to the plight of some zoo animals and elephants in Asia. It looks awfully bondage-y but I doubt if many people would argue that it’s bondage porn. That’s kinda the way I feel about the photos.
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull]
So, if this lady had acted in a hardcore pornographic film for European market, distributed it publically, and the film became common knowledge amongst school officials, then since she didn’t receive any sexual gratification, she wouldn’t get in trouble?
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Why don’t you answer that question for yourself: do YOU believe the quoted section of the contract would apply to that situation? There is an objectively correct answer to the question, based on the quoted section of the contract.
Daniel
[QUOTE=Princhester]
My unreserved apologies to Unregistered Bull, for some reason I was thinking we were in the pit. I’d report myself, only I’ve just discovered something interesting: there’s no “report bad post” button for your own posts.
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Moderator’s Note: Well, be more careful of which forum you’re in and don’t do it again.
As for the SDMB management, all I did was make the URL not be a live link. You can still copy and paste it into a new browser. (That the pictures may not even still be on that web page is obviously a whole different issue.) FWIW, I would say this policy is more akin to saying “you can’t post those [artistic nude] pictures of yourself in the classroom” than saying “you can’t post those [artistic nude] pictures of yourself anywhere on the Internet” (without being fired).
Incidentally, this topic has been around for over a week, and it occurs to me that the title is wrong.
Obviously teachers can go topless; the question is: May a teacher go topless?
But I guess she’s a math teacher not a grammar teacher, so we’ll let it pass this time.
[QUOTE=MEBuckner]
But I guess she’s a math teacher not a grammar teacher, so we’ll let it pass this time.
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Actually, she’s an art teacher, not a math teacher. But you’re a moderator, not Cecil Adams, so we’ll let it pass this time ;).
Daniel
Math, art–not English. She not English teacher! She teacher of Not-English!
Why the hell did I think she was a math teacher?
:Shakes fist at Gaudere:
[QUOTE=MEBuckner]
Incidentally, this topic has been around for over a week, and it occurs to me that the title is wrong.
Obviously teachers can go topless; the question is: May a teacher go topless?
But I guess she’s a math teacher not a grammar teacher, so we’ll let it pass this time.
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Well, I did consider alternatives, such as:
[QUOTE=Oakminster]
[QUOTE=Princhester]
My unreserved apologies to Unregistered Bull, for some reason I was thinking we were in the pit. I’d report myself, only I’ve just discovered something interesting: there’s no “report bad post” button for your own posts.
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This has come up before. They management has suggested reporting the post above yours and mentioning what you are reporting in the body of the email.
Transcript of radio show interview from June 20 :
[QUOTE=Ponster]
Transcript of radio show interview from June 20 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459493/
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Harrumph. Think this thread contains a much higher level of discourse than that transcript.
[QUOTE=MEBuckner]
Why the hell did I think she was a math teacher?
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Same reason I thought I was in the pit 