Maybe you’ve seen this story or one related to it.
I’m honestly not sure where I stand on this. On the one hand, adults have the right to free expression, and to make money by any legal means they like. It shouldn’t be anybody else’s business if someone wants to make videos of themselves having sex and share them online.
On the other hand, you don’t have to be a prude to see where it might be more difficult to teach middle-schoolers if they’ve seen your online sex videos. Lots of jobs have rules forbidding outside activities that interfere with your ability to perform the job, and I can see where this could fall afoul of one of those rules.
The article goes into the potential legal issues, which might be interesting to hash out, but I’m also just interested in how other Dopers feel about this.
If you don’t want your teachers performing sex acts because their teaching jobs can’t pay for the cost of acquiring the education required for that teaching job, well, we can pay them more.
But as long as we refuse to (a) reduce the structural problems which require student debt, or (b), refuse to pay teachers a decent wage (and (c) fund schools so that teachers don’t feel compelled to purchase educational materials out of their own pockets (but that is a different thread)), let them find their Fans if they wish.
I don’t like it.
They should think about maybe not showing their face.
I don’t know the site. I’m sure it would be easy to do.
Teachers, Medical professionals, Lawyers, anyone really, do things.
Things they’d rather their employer not know, much less Grandma. They’re humans after-all.
If you work with children in this weird climate of judgement, you’re gonna be found out if you post online. Them kiddos see everything.
It is what it is.
Take your chances.
If I like it or not is beside the point. Still, I don’t like it.
Why are middle-schoolers able to access OnlyFans? On the scale of moral turpitude, enabling pre-teens to watch pornography would seem to be a worse transgression than adults doing the (legal) sex acts on video for pay.
And agreed with @JohnT that until we elect to start paying teachers a living wage AND provide the equivalent of ‘office supplies’ that are freely available in most professional workplaces, there is really no latitude to complain about what side work educators do to male ends meet. Well, unless it is making meth and blowing up retirement homes, but that is more of a health and human safety issue than misplaced moral outrage.
Yeah, I guess I have a moralist streak because I see a problem with this.
Regarding the argument that teachers aren’t paid enough and they have to take on side work, well, OKAY, there are thousands of other ways to make side money.
I feel that there are certain jobs that put you in the public eye (teacher, elected official, etc.), and if you choose to do those jobs then you have closed the door on other activities (OnlyFans). If you choose to do the other, then you close the door on the public eye jobs.
That’s just how life works, choices preclude other choices.
Wow, I guess I’m missing the morality gene. I don’t see any reason a teacher should be in trouble for online porn. I really don’t. Or lawyers, doctors, or members of Congress.
No, I am not “sorely misinformed”; I do, however, think that parents, regulators, et cetera have far more culpability in what children are allowed to access than a teacher doing something in their private life intended for consumption by adults.
Okay, how far do you want to take this? Should teachers not be able to imbibe alcohol, dance suggestively, write politically contentious opinions, or engage in any of a number of activities protected by normal rights of expression provided they aren’t intentionally exposing their students to them? If so, where would you draw the ‘bright line’ as to what teachers are and are not permitted to do?
Gaither, who also coached cheerleading, said she used her account to pay off student loans. She also was outed, although she wrote that she had an alias and did not show her face.
Anyone should be free to post sex videos of themselves if so inclined; what they should NOT be free to do is to simultaneously hold a job teaching and mentoring our children. Actions have consequences.
I once worked for a big multinational that prided themselves on their reputation for high standards of ethics and integrity. You could be fired for doing things – even outside of work – that tarnished that reputation. If that applied to a business entity, it should apply 10x more to teachers, who are trusted to interact directly with impressionable children.
I think part of the problem here is that we, as a society, are weird about sex. We’d like to believe that people who work with children are all women in firmly heterosexual monogamous marriages or else firmly asexual, because we fear that anyone with a sex drive around children will… well, I don’t think the fears are thought through all that well, but it’s probably “mumble mumble pedophilia mumble immorality.”
Sex is a normal part of the human condition. Healthy adults enjoy sex, and watching other people enjoy sex is no more immoral than watching them play sports—less in the case of sports like football or boxing that can cause significant brain damage. This is presuming everything is done by consenting adults who have roughly equal power relationships, etc.
My vote would be that we get over ourselves, and that people should be allowed to post as much porn as they like so long as nobody is being exploited in the process. If the students find it, the main thing is to teach them that school is an inappropriate place to view or discuss pornography, the same as work.
Apparently there is no ‘bright line’ except the judgement of people who see the online content you choose to post.
And then you lose your employment.
Parents surely know kids look at sketchy stuff online. It’s a big conversation if you get 3 parents in a room. All kids do it. And, yes the parent should be careful, oversee and pay attention. They don’t always do this.
Nobody wants kids to see this stuff.
No one can regulate what an adult chooses to put online. That’s painfully apparent.
The school system and board are trying to address what they’ve come to believe is bad behavior on these two teachers part.
I don’t know if they have the right to do it. I suppose we’ll see.
But the Adult teacher chose to do this. They’re gonna have to take their punches and realize it’s never, ever going away. It will follow them forever.
Ah, because of course once you just sit down and have a talk about it, all of the impact on your relationship with your students is erased, and you can get back to being just teacher and students.
This isn’t about the morality or ethics of doing porn. It’s about being able to do your job. Having porn videos of yourself out there on the Internet has an impact on your ability to do your job as a teacher.
Of course it has an impact. But a more sensible culture would mitigate the impact considerably. You’re suggesting that awareness that a teacher has had sex on film means they can no longer have a productive teacher-student relationship, and that’s just silly. People could (and would) get over it.