Can anyone defend the Admin Syria drive?

The UN deal came after Putin’s abrubt cave. So your timeline is way off. The UN deal cannot constrain Obama from using military force, so what did Putin get? He got to admit that he was late in controlling his partner and could have stopped a murderous attack with the use of CW.

Obama can still bomb Syria if Assad gets caught cheating.

For two years Putin refused to help Obama force Syria to give up its CW. Obama did not change his position on CW - Putin did. 180. That is caving.
And I still await how you claim to know Obama’s intent on the red line. I see he intended to put a stop to Assad using them and killing with them - if Assad uses them again it is likely he will be bombed by the US and French and perhaps a few others

That is why Assad won’t use them- he will dutifully destroy them as he has agreed to do.

Why didnt Putin do this two years ago if that is what he wanted?

Putin IS the UN deal.

cite. Syria poses no threat to the United States.

Because there was no UN pressure 2 years ago.

No! Putin caved, when he cut a deal in Geneva with Kerry. The UN affirmed the Kerry/Putin deal. It was Putin changing position (caved) after Obama threatened military action against Putin’s client pariah state - Obama did not change position on CW- Putin did.

Do you think it was the UN that forced Putin to cave? How did that work?

He got exactly what he wanted. He can’t stop the UN from making resolutions but he can and did influence this one and as I’ve already cited the US went along with it. How is that caving?

I have cited the War Powers Act and it is the President who gets to decide (not you Magiver) if Syria is a threat to us at home or Americans working abroad - plus you’ve gone on about al Qaeda types engaged in the civil war there. Terrorists +1000 Tons of chemical weapons = THREAT.

Now if you are in a position to determine what is a threat or not a threat for the president of the USA could you reveal your official connection to the President.

Cite Putin getting what he wanted. Prior to Obama threatening to Bomb Syria, Putin refused to push Assad to go public with his CW inventory and agree to destroy it. If Putin always wanted to do that he could have done it prior to Obama’s threat to launch cruise missiles. That is the sequence of events that you cannot make go away.

Question: Can Putin veto any pressure, military or diplomatic pressure such as sanctions if 14 members on the UNSC decided to take action against Syria?

So how can you argue that Putin succumbed to pressure by the UNSC last month when he continued to have the veto that he always has available?

Did he forget that he has the veto?

Your argument is devoid of logic and reason where you are taking it.

According to your reasoning anyone who is not an ally of the US (or actually refuses to walk-step besides it) is a potential enemy of same – after all, they have weapons…all of them :eek:

Preposterous.

Cite where I promote reasoning that comes close to anything resembling your claim.

This is about use of chemical weapons. Conventional weapons are not the issue.

By that logic we could attack Canada because they have Al Qaeda cells and CW’s. The only threat at this point from Syria would be in retaliation for our involvement.

Already did. Waste your own time looking it up.

You are, of course, talking about this, aren’t you? UN inspectors have begun this week the task of destroying Syria’s chemical weapons.

Not bad for a failed president that let Russia bully him, eh?

Not bad for a Russian President you mean:

Last month Obama said: “It is too early to tell whether [the Russian plan] will succeed, and any agreement must verify that the Assad regime keeps its commitments. But this initiative has the potential to remove the threat of chemical weapons without the use of force, particularly because Russia is one of Assad’s strongest allies.”

I can cite Putin to show what Putin wanted:

He only got what he wanted after he caved on the CW matter.

Again Magiver, why did Putin give up Assad’s CW arsenal so quickly after Kerry went public with a way to avoid war? Putin had to know about Obama’s red line before the August CW attack and if he truly wanted a UN Resolution to rid Syria of CW peacefully, why did he oppose the UNSC in passing a Resolution in 2012?

Obama’s red line would not have been crossed and Obama would for sure have agreed to a UN resolution in 2012 as he has done the past few weeks.
For persoective on what Putin wanted with regard to Syria’s CW you would have to go back to June 2012 by reading this report:

The question is why didnt Putin push for disarming Syria at the UN in 2012 when it would have been welcomed by Obama and most leaders in the world?

From the above link:

“”"But “the Russians got hold of him and told him ‘don’t even think about it’”.

Moscow went further on Monday, publicly warning Assad not to use chemical weapons, which it said was barred by Syria’s 1968 ratification of an international protocol against using poison gas in war.

“The Russian side proceeds from the assumption that Syrian authorities will continue to strictly adhere to the undertaken international obligations,” it said.

SHARED INTEREST

The diplomat believes Syria’s statement, by foreign ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi, was put out at Russia’s insistence.

Despite the diplomatic “debacle” over Syria at the UN Security Council, where Moscow has vetoed tougher action against Damascus, “there is a clear shared interest between Russia and the United States to control the chemical weapons”, he said.“”"

The threat of force made Putin finally act. Had Obama done the Rand Paul - isolationist duck and run dance - it is not likely Putin would have moved to hand Obama exactly what Obama wanted Putin to do as Assad’s ally.

You forgot to explain your qualification to determine if Syria’s CW stockpile in a civil
War poses a threat or not.

I trust Obama more than I trust you.

And your Canada diversion is weak. There is no civil war raging in Canada and CW are not at risk to falling into al Qaeda’s terrorist hands,

Could you limit your arguments to points that I make?

well you’re in the minority. He doesn’t have the support of Congress or the American people, or the International community. He was spared the embarrassment of a Congressional no vote by Putin.

Syria poses no threat to the United States despite your weak assertion CW’s may fall into rebel hands. That doesn’t even qualify as a strawman.

Over 50,000 million Americans voted for Obama in the last election and most of which trust him. I know of no one who trusts you Magiver. That is not a minority.

Putin was also concerned about the threat that CW could fall into rebel hands.

It’s in what I cited from June 2012:

In June 2012 the entire civilized world c

Over 50,000 million Americans voted for Obama in the last election and most of which trust him. I know of no one who trusts you Magiver. That is not a minority.

Putin was also concerned about the threat that CW could fall into rebel hands.

It’s in what I cited from June 2012:

In June 2012 the entire civilized world considered Syria’s arsenal falling into terrorists hands to be a major threat. That includes the Republican contender for US President at the time.

So we Putin, Netanyahu, Romney, and dozens of other world leaders and security experts recognizing the CW to be a threat, and along comes Magiver telling me that all of them were wrong and he somehow knows better.

It is so bold to think you are that important Magiver.

Here’s the money quote from the above cite that I doubt you will respond specifically to:

“”““I think Russia is working with everyone, with America first of all … Putin met the Turkish prime minister, he was in Israel, and is in constant contact with the Americans. Of course, nobody wants chemical weapons to be used, let alone to get into the hands of terrorists”.”“”.

Magiver contradicts this as if saying nobody cares if CW were to be used or get into the hands of terrorists.

Your figures are a little off - it was actually a million zillion jillion.

If you think France makes up the entire civilized world, then you must be Parisian.

But if it was such a major threat, why did everyone except the French decline to assist Obama in his desires to go all Everquest on Assad?

Regards,
Shodan