Yeah, I think that because it’s true. But if you like to cling to your Jewish Conspiracy CT, well, nothing stopping you man.
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I don’t see how this president has proven himself to be an “idiot”. I disagree with his position on military involvement in Syria, but I understand why he chose to go that route and the realpolitik path he took to get there.
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I generally agree with his position on Syria, but I have to admit that I’m starting to agree that this has been mishandled. I wish Hillary were still the SoS instead of Kerry. I never liked him and I think this crisis has demonstrated that he’s not suited to do more than look grave. I think that the administration isn’t prepared to think fast on their feet, either, and that what the Russians did is really showing how bad they are at shifting situations. We SHOULD be seriously taking advantage of this, and instead it’s like we are waffling around…hell, flailing around…without a clear idea of what we want to do or how we want to do it.
Israel would not have waited on the sidelines waiting for the US Congress to vote if it felt it was in any kind of danger. Israel hardly needs help from the US to take any action it deems necessary with regards to Syria.
So no need to parse “Israel” for “United States” in anything that’s been said in this context.
I agree with your agreement on the mishandling, etc. 
Also, I’m not a fan of Kerry and think the doesn’t hold a candle to Hillary as SoS.
Sorry, but it ain’t going toe to toe with the Great Satin to do what the Great Satin wants under the threat of military action being taken against you by the Great Satin.
And if it is a military strike agaist Assad that you want in order to punish him for killing civilians with CW, then you should be cursing the isolationist Dems and Republicans who don’t want it. Obama wants to do it, but it now makes more sense to pursue removing CW from Assad’s control.
I have Great Satin sheets on my bed.
Word this morning is that Obama and Putin got the ball rolling on this plan last week at the G20, so Kerry didn’t necessarily step in anything when he brought it up. Sounds like he was actually on-message.
NotFooledbyW has some hilarious spin to put on this situation. What actually happened was Obama passed the decision to Congress. The people rose up and demanded the government not get involved. Kerry bumbled his way through a news conference and Leslie Nielsened his way into actual diplomacy. Kerry and Obama had already ruled out diplomatic options, but once Putin heard Kerry misspeak, he took advantage of it and took the first step toward brokering a peaceful solution. Obama, realizing his request for war would be turned down, is ready to give Putin a try. All parties knew after the reaction of the American people against Obama’s request that the US would not be attacking Syria. Assad himself knows this. There is no drunken threat by Obama hanging over the negotiation table.
I should add the threat to Assad is he faces losing Russia as an important ally if he doesn’t go along. Nothing to do with the US gov.
Word from where? The Obama administration no doubt. Vladimir Putin out-peaced the Nobel Peace Prize President. The narrative has to change in order for Obama’s government to maintain legitimacy.
n/m, in light of Bob Ducca’s post above.
LOL! Obama just pulled the rug out from under all his detractors!
Secret negotiations to avoid war? Check!
Solves the issue at hand without firing a shot? Check!
Played the recalcitrant Republican Congress as his bitch? Check!
Let Russia save face and play a role in this? Check!
Obama had long been in discussion on how to end this well BEFORE he announced his decision to send it to Congress for approval. And lo and behold, the Obama-hating idiots played right into his plan and talked about bombing and attacking or hurting the president or blah blah blah. Obama knew that and knew the talk would force Syria to play their hand before they were ready, and then he used Putin to step in and look like a dealmaker. Obama doesn’t need public credit but we all know who this masterful job of diplomacy belongs to.
I look forward to the GOP shitting themselves and trying to figure out how getting Syria to give up its chemical weapons without firing a shot is bad for America! 
WillF is wrong right off the bat. Obama did not pass the decision off to Congress. He still owns the decision having stated that he has the authority to act without authorization from Congress.
The diplomacy started prior to Kerry’s news conference. WillF has that wrong too.
When did Obama and Kerry rule out a diplomatic solution?
Does WillF find it to be just mere coincidence that Putin and Assad have just now offered to have Assad give up his CW arsenal to the UNSC after seeing the US public’s reaction against a US military air strike. It seems odd logic that WillF has used to come up with that one. It makes no sense whatsover that Putin has no belief or consideration that Obama was willing to back down based solely on public opinion.
I wonder if WillF is in touch with Assad personally to know that Assad knew Obama was not going to do anything involving weapons that will blow his stuff up.
Making that claim is really what we can call spin. It is absurd spin at that.
John McCain’s second worst day ever.
Well, except for the whole proposed US air strike thingy I suppose. Interesting timing, wouldn’t you say? We threaten to start bombing things in Syria and Russia (along with Obama it looks like) comes up with a way to prevent it. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that it’s all happening at the same time. Nothing to do with the US.
You know, I feel that we have just witnessed the biggest game of “Good Cop, Bad Cop” in history.
Well played, Obama and Putin, well played.
So again, I ask - we secure the CWs. Then what? Syria continues to fight a Civil War and tens of thousands more die with boring old bullets and bombs?
What’s the end-game here? We take away some toys and the fighting continues…
Or possibly we put ourselves between Assad and the “rebels” and save his ass? You just KNOW that any American (or ANY country for that matter) boots on the ground involved in securing the CWs are going to be irresistable targets for attack by the more unsavory “rebel” elements. What if a handful of our people are killed? Do we just say “welp, the cost of doing business”, take the chems, and leave - or do we respond with force?
And then we’re involved.
Also, how come everyone’s so trusting of Putin all of a sudden?
There’s another check you didnt mention. Acting as a leader going against popular sentiment to do what is right both morally and for our long term security.
I just heard Rush Limbaugh adjust to the baseball bat blow Obama put on his fat head. Rush has not heard that the UN will take the CW off Assad’s hands. Rush thinks the CW are going to Russia.
But Rush is now citing rebel opposition to the proposed Russian diplomatic plan. The pat weeks Obama was acting as AlQaeda’s Air Force. Now Rush is complaining that Obsma had abandoned the heroic rebels.
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So again, I ask - we secure the CWs. Then what? Syria continues to fight a Civil War and tens of thousands more die with boring old bullets and bombs?
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Yes. That was always the case. We never intended to go in and fix all their problems. The issue we were taking exception to was the use of chemical weapons, especially on a civilian population. Pretty obviously, even THAT seemed to be enough to spark the ire (or even mild annoyance) of The World™ since most of The World™ didn’t even want to do anything about that.
Prevent or at least deter the use of one of the few things the international community has come together to ban.
Um, no. That’s Russia’s job, especially if you replace “rebels” with “anyone”.
Boots on the ground was never a serious option. Seriously, haven’t you been following along?
I don’t think anyone is. However, if he can pull this off (and it’s in his and Russia’s best interest to do so) it will be huge for him.
In the middle of the civil war? With the US military estimating that it will take 70,000 troops on the ground to do?
The whole charade is very simple and obvious to all participants. First there will be talks about the talks. Then there will be talks about what exactly is a CW, where exactly the CWs are located, what does it mean to “control” them, who exactly gets to “control” them, under whose command those who “control” them are, etc. etc. That will drag on for years - because neither US nor Russia want to throw in the thousands of troops it will take into the middle of a civil war. Meantime Assad will remain in “control” of the CWs, and Obama is neutralized for the rest of his term - if he cannot muster support in Congress now, it will be impossible to do in the middle of talks.
Obama ends up looking like an idiot that he is to all people that matter. Everyone in the international community, and especially ME, understands exactly how he wimped out. He didn’t get any respect before, he won’t get any now.
But his base here at home will spin desperately proclaiming this a brilliant “chess” move. Pathetic.