Can Ideology Constitute Extraordinary Circumstances? Some Scenarios.

Since at least the Bork nomination, one strong interpretation of the Senate’s constitutional duty to “advise and consent” on judicial nominees – propounded by Orrin Hatch, among others – has been that senators cannot properly oppose a nomination on the basis of ideology alone, and that opposition to a judicial nominee can only be founded on questions of that nominee’s character and fitness to be a judge. So, presumably, it would be okay to oppose a nominee who admitted to beating his wife, but not one who believed that the Eighth Amendment permitted the federal government to put a man’s wife to death as punishment for a crime her husband committed. With the compromise deal reached recently by the so-called Gang of Fourteen, debate has focused on the ability of Democrats to invoke the ‘extraordinary circumstances’ clause that would allow them to threaten to filibuster a Supreme Court nominee. Reasonably, this debate has paralleled the larger constitutional question, with many conservatives arguing that ideology on its own could not possibly be grounds for the requisite extraordinariness. Some individuals (I think Senator Jeff Sessions is one) have qualified this somewhat, saying, “Ideology cannot be a cause for filibuster, except at the extremes.” Others have categorically denied that ideology can legitimately be opposed.

My question is this: How extreme an ideology can a judicial candidate profess before a Senator can validly decide to oppose the nomination? See, there must be a point at which ideology and character/fitness become indistinguishable from each other – I want to see if we can come up with some principled and consistent way of pinpointing it, hopefully by consensus.

For example, it seems to me that opposing a judicial nominee simply because they’re of a different political party should be out of bounds under any conception of the advise and consent clause and the filibuster agreement. On the other hand, I think most people would agree that a senator would be justified in invoking extraordinary circumstances against a nominee who, at the time of his nomination, is an Imperial Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and a passionate believer in white nationalism. (If you feel that mention of Robert Byrd or Hugo Black is warranted here, go ahead. I don’t think they’re relevant to the thread.)

So let me throw out a few scenarios of Supreme Court nominees who hold certain jurisprudential or political beliefs. I’d like people to tell me which, if any, of these nominees a senator would be justified in opposing on ideological grounds. Assume for the purposes of the question that the nominee is otherwise learned in the law, has no other skeletons in his closet, and is sufficiently professionally qualified to be considered for a judgeship.

A) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his personal belief in an international Zionist conspiracy and says that he wouldn’t want his daughter to marry a Jewish man, but assures the Senate that he wouldn’t let his personal anti-Semitism affect the fair and objective performance of his judicial duties.

B) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states that he is a member of the American Communist Party, but says that his personal views will not affect his jurisprudential philosophy.

C) At her confirmation hearing, the nominee states her belief that men are biologically inferior to women, and calls for an expansive reading of the equal protection clause to rectify two centuries of gender inequity.

D) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his firm belief that the Court, in the Slaughterhouse Cases, grievously misread the intent of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment with regard to the privileges and immunities clause. Being a devoted originalist, the nominee states his intention to overturn the Slaughterhouse Cases at the first opportunity.

E) At her confirmation hearing, the nominee – a strong advocate of federalism and states’ rights – presents her learned belief that the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments were not passed with the legitimate consent of three-quarters of the states. Therefore, she says, as a Justice she would treat these amendments as dead letters until they could undergo the Article V process anew.

F) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his belief, in accordance with the constitutional text, separation of powers, and his personal principles of limited federal government, that the Administrative Procedures Act (the organizing and empowering statute for all modern administrative agencies) is an unconstitutional delegation of legislative and judicial powers to the executive branch. As a Justice, he would refuse to give any deference to agency adjudications, and would construe regulations as narrowly as possible, overturning all of them that strayed beyond the strict letter of congressional statute.

G) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his belief in natural law, and says that the framers, who were godly men, intended the Ninth Amendment to be the respository of all natural law rights not explicit within the constitutional text. The nominee’s personal vision of natural law includes inalieable rights to choose whether to bear children, to choose whether to discriminate against others, and to be secure in one’s private property (including the choice whether to be taxed). He would give the Ninth Amendment content, and would rule from the bench, in accordance with these beliefs.

H) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states that Brown v. Board of Education cannot remotely be justified by the originalist school of jurisprudence to which he adheres, and thus segregation is perfectly constitutional until an amendment to the contrary can be passed.

I) At her confirmation hearing, the nominee states that her considered interpretation of the Fifth Amendment’s takings clause (and its extension to the state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment) is that all regulations, to the extent that they deprive individuals of economic value, are unconstitutional unless just compensation can be achieved. Thus, a city that passes a zoning ordinance disallowing an adult video store from setting up shop must pay the owner of that store an amount equivalent to the expected revenue he loses as a result.

J) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his intention to overturn Johnson v. McIntosh (1823), the Supreme Court case recognizing federal land title over Native American land title on the principle that Americans, having conquered the continent, were entitled to the spoils. The nominee says that, until he is successful in overturning this case, he will construe all statutes, regulations, and disputes as broadly as possible in favor of Native Americans, who he believes, as a class, to have been unjustly deprived of their sovereignty, their land, and their civil rights.

Which of these could senators validly oppose? How do you draw the line?

Finally, here’s a question that may or may not cause posters to qualify their answers: Does the filibuster agreement bind senators more stringently than the Constitution does? That is, were senators more free, before this agreement, to validly oppose judicial nominees than they are (at least ostensibly) now, or did the filibuster agreement just recodify and make more explicit the meaning of the constitutional advise and consent clause?

I think that, as part of the “advise and consent” provision of the Constitution, a Senator can validly oppose any Presidential nominee whosoever for any reason whatsoever. I don’t see why or how it could be otherwise.

Look, this “extraordinary circumstances” has no real meaning, there’s no principled way you can draw a line. All the compromise meant was that the democrats would back off a bit on threating filibusters in return for the republicans backing off on limiting the ability to filibuster.

It really meant nothing except a truce, since Democrats still retain the ability to filibuster whenever they can dig up a 40% minority, and Republicans can still try to change senate rules if they get sufficiently annoyed at the Democrats.

Senators are ultimately reponsible only to their constituents. They can make principled or unprincipled votes by whatever criteria they choose, and the voters can chose to turn them out or re-elect them by whatever criteria the voters choose.

Fair enough. Do you think that the filibuster agreement changes that at all? That is, it doesn’t change your reading of the clause, but do you have an opinion about what constitutes “extraordinary circumstances”?

And without getting into too much of a hijack, I’m curious whether your interpretation of the advise and consent clause extends to: a) opposing a nominee because he’s wearing a hat; b) opposing a nominee because he’s a Republican; c) opposing a nominee because he’s black; and d) flipping a coin, and opposing a nominee if it’s tails.

Lemur866:

If you were a senator, what criteria would you choose? Where would you draw the line in the above scenarios?

(And I’m still waiting to hear from the Dopers who believe that ideology is not a valid reason to oppose a nomination – I know you’re out there.)

The thing is, no President would nominate someone who would claim to invalidate centuries of settled law, or would be an embaresment to the president by advocating racist or otherwise wacky views. Pretty much all of the nominees you imagine would be voted down resoundingly by the Senate, for obvious reasons.

There is no particular justification for claiming that a Senator can’t reject a judge for “ideology”, and even if a Senator claims that ideology shouldn’t be a criteria that just means that they use different definitions of ideology than you or I do.

Only that I think “extraordinary circumstances” was understood to mean “a Supreme Court Justice”. I’m of the opinion that the filibuster deal wasn’t much more than an agreement to temporarily sweep the whole issue under the rug. I also don’t know that the filibuster deal is legally binding in any way.

Yes, it does, in all four cases. While those might not be wise reasons to oppose a nominee, the Senate’s power to accept or reject nominees seems to me to be absolute. A senator doesn’t even have to give a reason for voting “no” on a nomination.

I don’t think it would be unconstitutional to withhold consent for any of those reasons, the constitution doesn’t put limits on what the senate can consider in its deliberations. Of course I’d like to think that the consitutents of various senators would vote them out of office if they started basing important political decisions on coin flips or hat wear (though really if you appear before the senate and don’t take off your hat, you are kind of a putz).

Lemur866:

Well, scenarios D through I are (essentially) actual views held by actual and respected legal academics, including one who’s been mentioned for the current Supreme Court vacancy. And I could come up with a scenario K using some of Frank Easterbrook’s more radical law and economics ideas, and he’s one of the nation’s top federal appellate judges. I agree that it’s not politically feasible to nominate someone who holds these views (or, more to the point, someone who’s willing to be honest about these views during confirmation, especially since Bork), but that just begs the question regarding the boundary between ideology and perceived judicial fitness.

I happen to agree, but many people – including several Dopers – hold a different view. And I’m interested to hear from them. :slight_smile:

Captain Amazing:

No, it definitely isn’t. But it’ll be viewed as bad faith if the Democrats invoke the clause in what are perceived to be less-than-extraordinary circumstances – see the OP of Bricker’s thread. And several of the Gang of Fourteen have said that they don’t believe ideology, even in the case of a Supreme Court nomination, is sufficient to allow the Democrats to filibuster without breaking the agreement.

Again, fair enough. To a degree, I think that the Supreme Court would disagree with you on the coin-flipping example, considering its opinion in Nixon v. United States. But that’s fine.

In the end “extrodinary circumstances” are what a large enough number of the Gang of 14 decide them to be. Out of curiousity, does anyone know what the numbers are? How many of the 7 Repubs would have to be convinced that something is an extraordinary case to hold off the nuclear option. How many of the 7 Dems would have to defect to break filibuster?

The one that decided Nixion wasn’t exempt from court supoena? What’s the relavance to the Senate’s decision making process? (sorry for the hijack, just curious)

No, that’s Nixon v. US. US v. Nixon was a 1993 case where a judge had been convicted of a felony. He was then impeached and removed from office, and sued to get his job back.

Good to know, though my googling to find details just gives me hits on the case involving the former president. Can you explain why the case involving the judge might be seen to have ruled on what issues the Senate could justify it’s deliberations on when giving advice and consent?

To answer my own question, by my math it would take only two of the Repubs in the gang of 14 to give their party the votes they need for the “nuclear option”, while it would take only three of the seven Dems to maintain the filibuster. Then, functionally anyway, “extraordinary circumstances” are those that 6 Republican and 3 Dems out of the Gang of 14 decide they are.

Of course it’s a little more complicated then that, as I don’t think the deal explicitly said the Repub signers would deffinately vote to eliminate judicial filibusters if there didn’t exist “extraordinary circumstances” only that in such a case they didn’t think that filibusters were justified. Lot’s of semantic room for wiggling on either side, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Captain Amazing:

Actually, I had the case name right the first time. :wink: Nixon v. United States involved the federal judge, and was the case to which I was referring. United States v. Nixon involved our esteemed chief executive.

Malodorous:

Sure thing. From Justice Souter’s concurrence in the case:

The case was about senatorial impeachment power (and whether the court could step in to judge the adequacy of the procedures without running afoul of the political question doctrine), but I think the above passage, although not conclusive, is relevant to the question of how arbitrary senators can choose to be when exercising their constitutional duty to advise and consent.

Thanks for doing the math on the Gang of Fourteen, by the way.

Anyone wanna take a whack at the scenarios in the OP? Would senatorial opposition be more or less appropriate in any of them?

So…looks like we’re all agreed that senators can oppose based on ideology, then. :slight_smile: Funny; I could have sworn I read statements to the contrary in the Justice O’Connor thread.

Actually, let’s take it bit by bit. Which of these individuals is least fit to be a Supreme Court justice:

  1. Someone who testifies at his confirmation that he personally holds racist views, but that he would not let those views prevent him from applying his judicial philosophy impartially, even-handedly, and with due respect to precedent?

  2. Someone who testifies that he holds no racist views, but believes according to the weight of the constitutional text and the historical evidence that Brown v. Board of Education was wrongly decided, that states should have been allowed to decide for themselves, and that segregation should be constitutional until it is forbidden by Article V amendment?

  3. Someone who testifies that he holds no racist views and that Brown v. Board of Education cannot be justified by his originalist philosophy, but that respect for precedent and for public opinion would prevent him from treating segregation as constitutional?

  4. Or someone who refuses to answer any questions about his personal views on race or about the rightness or wrongness of past Supreme Court cases, but who belongs to an all-white country club?

I have no idea how I missed this thread before.

Before answering specific questions, let me point out what has already been said above: the Senate’s power to consent, or not, is unreviewable and absolute. So from a practical perspective, the Senate is free to use ideology, judicial fitness, astrological signs, or sports team alliance as a reason to confirm or reject a nominee.

In the same way, “High Crimes and Misdemeanors” is whatever the House says it is for purposes of impeaching a president. So the House could decide that Mr. Bush’s preference for light blue ties is a fashion High Crime and Misdemeanor, and vote an Article of Impeachment, which would be utterly unreviewable and absolutely legal, and the Senate would be bound to convene an impeachment trial.

Obviously, that would be unwise - so unwise as to be impossible, from a practical perspective.

So, too, would it be unwise for senators to base their confirmation votes on astrological signs.

Having thus acknowledged the limits of the law, I contend that there is a wisdom that should bind the Senate’s consideration of a judicial nominee, and that this particular wise path has been increasingly ignored since the Bork nomination. Again, I’m speaking of what I consider a wise and prudential role for the Senate to have, NOT a limitation on their power, which we have already conceded is absolute in this regard.

The Senate should not focus on ideology. By “ideology” I refer to the specific political leanings of the nominee, and the nominee’s choice of which of the generally accepted judicial constructions and philosophy he follows. I do not mean “ideology” in an all-encompassing sense. If a judicial nominee were to say, “Well, it’s my view that once I have a lifetime appointment to the bench, I’m going to fire up a fattie and find me some ho’s, 'cause it’ll be party time - that’s mt ideology!” Ideology it may be, but when discussing judicial ideology, that particular approach is not really one of the recognized paths.

While I am deeply distrustful of the substantive due process mehod of analyzing rights under the constitution, I can hardly deny that it’s a recognized judicial method of analysis and construction. As a senator, it would be unwise and imprudent for me to vote ‘no’ on the President’s nominee merely because he was in favor of such. The President is the one charged with selecting a nominee. As logn as he’s qualified, my disagreement over his views is insufficient to turn him down. If the President is appoointing someone unqualified, someone with skeletons in his closet that would hamper his duties, I should vote ‘no’. But I believe the wise approach is to be deferential to the President’s choice on ideology grounds; were it otherwise, the scheme would be for the Senate to choose a nominee.

A) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states his personal belief in an international Zionist conspiracy …

…and…

B) At his confirmation hearing, the nominee states that he is a member of the American Communist Party, but says that his personal views will not affect his jurisprudential philosophy.

What does his prior judicial history reveal? If his previous judicial work reveals hints of bias, of course he should be rejected. Because these views are both extreme, and outside the realm of mainstream judicial thought, it seems to me that either they have influenced earlier work, or the nominee is truthful in saying his personal views do not affect his judicial work. I don’t believe in a stealth candidate waiting years for an outside shot at a Supreme Court nomination and carefully biding his time until then.

This is a basis for rejection, since the nominee has indicated that her personal view (objectively and demonstrably weak) WOULD influence her judicial views.

Might be my nomination hearing, someday! :slight_smile:

This is a basis for rejection. Respect for stare decisis is not required to be absolute, but a judicial philosophy that would overturn that many years of settled law - no matter how flawed the original ruling was - is wildly impractical.

Rejection justified under the wildly impractical standard enunciated above.

Rejection justified under the wildly impractical standard enunciated above, but with a personal round of applause from Senator Bricker.

Will the nominee entertain questions about harmonizing his view of the Ninth Amendment with the explicit provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment?

Will the nominee entertain questions about harmonizing his view of “originalism” with the explicit provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment?

Rejection justified under the wildly impractical standard enunciated above.

Rejection justified under the wildly impractical standard enunciated above.

Thanks much for the thoughtful reply, Bricker; I’ll respond as soon as I’ve knocked out this memo I’m working on.

I’m going to make a much lengthier post tomorrow, but I’m really interested in your “wildly impractical” standard and wanted to pose a quick question: at what point is law so settled that an interpretative stance that would overturn the law, no matter how well-founded the interpretation might be, would be justly characterized as wildly impractical?

I don’t think there is a bright-line standard, but I’ll happily offer the Bricker Test, the factors to be weighed, include:

The length of time since the decision
The number of subsequent decisions relying favorably on the original
The number of collateral cases relying on the original
The depth of infrastructure created by subsequent law and regulation in reliance upon the decision