Despite being phrased in the form of a debate, what the OP is actually doing is witnessing.
Indeed, BTW I did once point at Townhall as a source to keep track of what passes as “good” information among conservatives. That is a way to be aware of what is going on in the bubble. But not much useful for anything else.
AFAICR there was one item that was notorious: Townhall was one of the few right wing sources that pointed out that getting independence from energy companies was indeed a good idea where they agree with the left. When households use solar or wind power, and they gain independence from a monopolistic or governmental regulations that is a conservative value too. And that is in tune with reducing CO2 emissions that many environmentalists (that should not be just stereotypically assumed that they are only coming from the left) agree with.
I can recommend an excellent ophthalmologist.
That’s not what you see from Doper liberals.
Life’s too short to read that stuff; however for an answer, when you live in a two-party state where each side finds out what the other one believes in on any issue and then thinks up reasons to oppose those views, co-operation seems implausible.
It probably doesn’t matter.
Is he from Kentucky?
Penn State.
I see what you did there.
Also several other wells in the area, books and magazines that mention wells, Dawn Wells, and the Duke of Wellington.
"Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists. Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe your race defines you. Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Liberals believe in equality of results. Conservatives believe in freedom of speech. Liberals are fine with silencing people that disagree with them. Conservatives believe in small government. Liberals believe in a frighteningly powerful central government dictating your every move. "
I fail to see how these loads of lies are interesting , I find it more disturbing that OP may believe this stuff !
I’m going to try to reply to this, but I really for the life of me cannot understand conservatives who think this way. Will OP come back? I have some serious questions.
In the article they mention how conservatives value patriotism, the constitution and moral values.
On the left, that isn’t just false. It is orwellian. We don’t understand in the slightest how you can believe that about yourselves.
YOu believe in patriotism? You elected a wannabe dictator who is dangerously incompetent and works for Vladimir Putin. That is the exact opposite of patriotism. How is electing an incompetent wannabe dictator who works for our enemies being patriotic?
The constitution? is that why you support Roy Moore and Trump? Both of whom have had major issues with violating the constitution? Moore has been censured and removed as a judge and lawyer multiple times for violating the constitution. Trump is a walking threat to the constitution.
Family values? You elect remorseless sex predators to major office. Trump is sociopathic sex predator. Roy Moore is a child predator who used his position as the district attorney to hide those things. Imagine if Donald Trump were black. Imagine if he has been bankrupt multiple times, had multiple kids by multiple women and had multiple allegations of sexual abuse, including child sexual abuse, in his history that he didn’t feel the slightest remorse about. Would you consider people who voted for that black person to be family values oriented? How would you react if those people called themselves family values oriented? Would you agree, or would you shake your head in confusion, or would it fill you with disgust and anger that those people would say that about themselves?
I don’t get it. I cannot fathom it. You guys live in an alternate reality and we cannot understand it. Can OP come back and please enlighten me why a party of people who support Trump and Moore can claim they are the true defenders of patriotism, the constitution and family values? Please explain it, because that is the exact opposite of how reality works and we cannot grasp how you came to those conclusions.
I do think the country will divide. On the right you probably think it is because liberals are wacky. But for us liberals, a lot of us feel we need to divide because the GOP keeps getting more and more crazy, irrational and dangerous. You guys keep sinking further and further into an Orwellian alternate reality that is the exact opposite of real reality, and you are dragging the rest of us down with you. That is how a lot of us feel. We feel trapped by how crazy and stupid the right has become. You guys sink further and further into orwellian doublethink while you fall more and more in love with dictators and become more and more of a threat to civilization and western values.
I can’t fathom people who are so obsessed with the election and Trump, they seem to think all roads, thoughts, arguments and fantasies lead there.
Trump is more obsessed with the election than anyone else.
I actually don’t think the possible bad actions of a couple Republican politicians let you condemn all of Conservatism. See my post above, though, everything I mentioned are issues that basically all conservatives agree on. All Conservatives falsely believe the economic system can’t be better than the current capitalism that is just creating a new generation of aristocrats. Basically all conservatives believe in unrestricted gun rights. Basically all of them think that the reason we have a national debt is due to excessive welfare and government spending, not a failure by the 1% to pay the bills they have accrued.
Based on the premise of the article, the answer is apparently “no”. The premise being that conservatives embody the great values that built this country, while liberals are the scum of the earth who want only to destroy it. One can see how difficult it is for these two sides to find common ground!
My real answer is that conservatives – or more precisely, contemporary Republicans – are going to be out of reach of any kind of conciliation as long as they are out of reach of factual reality, as long as they inhabit their own alternate reality supported by “alternative facts” and fake news, as long as their news sources are Fox News and Breitbart and all their myriad lying equivalents, and as long as they are guided by superstition and mythology and unshakeable faith in gut-feel truthiness instead of by science, facts, and logic.
I don’t know that I would go as far as the quote below to say that “pretty much every conservative position is based on a false belief”, but there is certainly a substantial disdain for uncomfortable facts and an outright contempt for science that informs many current Republican views, and thus a certain truth in that quote. You don’t make progress by cutting funding to scientific research, appointing partisan morons to top positions in science-based public agencies, or by denying incontrovertible science in formulating public policy. But it’s not just about science. There is a fundamental dishonesty about what many Republican economic goals are, as we see with attempts to scuttle health care reform at the expense of the people who need it the most, while pushing for changes to the tax code to benefit the rich even more.
There are plenty of things that liberals and conservatives can agree on. For instance, they can agree that the article the OP quoted is a load of bollocks. Unfortunately, there aren’t very many conservatives left in the US, them having been largely displaced by folks like the writer of that article.
I’m not worried about the OP’s demonizations of liberals-- Everyone (including the tellers of those lies) can see how false they are. I’m much more worried about his demonization of conservatives. We need those guys, and we’re not going to get them back if people believe the caricature of conservatives that the OP presents.
Clearly, you’re above all that.
Well, for one thing, I think both left and right agree that pedophilia is ba… wait, what the fuck?
If the OP had posed the question, “Why do some partisans describe the world in imaginary terms such as those quoted?”, we might have a debate. (That would be equally true if it had quoted some of the more outlandish views of someone on the Left.)
The question posed, making imaginary claims for two groups, assigning silly good opinions to one and silly bad opinions to the other is not a debate.
I considered moving this to IMHO, but it is so outlandish that I am sending it to The BBQ Pit.
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