One more time: A “Law” is not a creation of an element of nature/science/ mathematics that did not exist before. It is the recognition and naming of what already exists. If it is later discovered that we didn’t understand something as well as we thought we did the “law” gets renamed and restated, but at NO time does any aspect of the universe change just because we change our thinking.
What the hell do you think? How do you think the universe would operate if it wasn’t true?
That’s what I’m asking you.
Where would you say integers came from?
The universe would not operate as we know it to without the laws of logic, physics, chemistry, and a number of unchanging constants. These are unchanging, immaterial, and universal laws that cannot be explained by the idea of the big bang.
So you say…and then you go make a bigger mess of things by introducing the concept of a universe that has no logic in it until a “god” that lives “outside space and time” jumps in to fix things. How she/he/it manages to fix things when there is no logic to work with is beyond me, but I do have a specific question to ask about this oh-so-silly concept: How could a non-logical universe exist in the first place?
Inflation simply describes the expansion of our singularity into spacetime (and there are some models of Inflation that do away with the singularity entirely). But yes, M Theory predicts a multiverse with varying constants in each 'verse. Hawking has argued that all you need for the creation of a universe is a force like gravity and quantum mechanics.
If you need something to have ‘always existed’ in order for our universe to exist, why not be parsimonious and assume that it’s the laws of physics?
Certainly they can; in fact a number of explanations have been proposed including several variations on Inflation. For example, if there are many Big Bangs producing many universe then the reason that our universe looks fine tuned for life is easily explained; if it wasn’t, then we wouldn’t be here to notice.
It’s also uncertain just how “unchanging” or even universal the “constants” are (they may vary on a large enough cosmological scale), and they certainly aren’t “immaterial”.
I love this question! There are so many different (philosophical!) ways of looking at it.
At one level, it seems obvious that “things” exist in “numbers.” Look, there are five deer in that herd. This forest have 402 trees. (Uh-oh, what about this one little seedling, where a tiny little millimeter of green is poking out of the ground! Is that a tree?)
But at another, the idea of “numbers” with “properties” – why is five plus four the same as four plus five? – seems to be a creation of our intelligence.
As Isaac Asimov once famously asked, “Show me half a piece of chalk.”
Yes I know when they were supposed to be recorded. But the Law, perhaps the most important thing, did not seem to be known after Joshua.
How did the tribes they destroyed rebel against God? By existing? They were not asked to convert or anything, after all.
I used math since we can tell that math existed before humans - it is hard to see how one would determine that logic does (unless we find an alien race who discovered it before we did.) Math and logic are somewhat equivalent, in any case.
Clearly Ugg the caveman used logic, but of course did not write it down. Aristotle didn’t invent logic, he just codified it.
Where does 1+1 = 2 come from?
Same place.
Cite that even the original Big Bang theory predicted absolute homogeneity? Because that would be odd, since we see that the universe is lumpy when we look at the distribution of galaxies.
I believe that the original prediction was for the background temperature to not be drastically different no matter where you looked, which was true. Then with inflation it was noted that it was impossible to be truly uniform. Inflation predicted the variations observed which would have been impossible to observe in the 1950s.
Science refines - that the first cut at a theory is not 100% correct in no way totally invalidates it.
None of the people you quote would say that the Big Bang theory is incorrect. Given that it happened 13 billion years ago, and we’ve only understood it for 60 (and have known that the universe consists of more than our galaxy for about 100 years) we are doing pretty good.
A lot better than the Bible.
Ow my brain…