Of course, the best way to assure that is to assure would-be immigrants have enough chance of entering the country legally, and through a checkpoint with health screening, that they don’t feel tempted to sneak in, which we should have learned by now they simply cannot be reliably prevented from doing. Immigration reform now! American lives depend on it!
No, because they offer no proof, they have zero credibility, and there is no good reason for anybody including you to believe them.
That’s pretty much it–it’s just another wacky conspiracy theory made up entirely of “this kind of makes sense, don’t it?” reasoning, devoid of facts. I am shocked–shocked!–that magellan would fall prey to such specious reasoning.
Is this idea that we should have open borders and free healthcare for all founded on anything other than an emotional humanitarian appeal?
Are we unaware of why we are a sovereign nation and how expensive it is to just keep letting people in?
It’s an insult to the people who legally wait their turn to come to this country, and truly make the most of it.
Why need it be?
The insult is the stupid BS that we make immigrants go through. No one should have to go through all that.
Reforming the system is not an insult to the people who have already legally entered the country. The insult would be to the people who will enter the country in the future if we don’t reform it. Imagine saying to a future immigrant, “We realize that we shouldn’t put you through this torture, but, since we’ve done it in the past, we have to do it forever now.” That’s stupid.
There’s a bizarre amount of contempt hiding in your words “emotional” and “humanitarian.” Acting out of concern for other people is not a sign of mental fuzziness, nor is a belief in humanitarian goals an indication of a nation’s weakness. As it happens, I think there are some decent reasons other than the humanitarian reasons to support open borders and free healthcare, but the humanitarian reasons are definitely the strongest ones, and they shouldn’t be seen with contempt.
Leaving aside the border question, nations with a national healthcare system generally have an overall healthier population and longer average lifespan than the US. A healthier population means less spreading of disease and more productive people due to less illness and avoidable disability. This has economic benefits, and it also means you, personally, are less likely to catch something from someone else.
So if being a humanitarian doesn’t appeal to you there’s at least that self-centered reason to favor it.
What about those claims? Why should we care about the claims? They’re just claims. They aren’t backed by evidence, and I trust neither the doctors, the organization they represent, or the “news” site it’s posted on.
Actually, let’s talk about that. Seriously, Breitbart? Might as well start linking us to WND or Ann Coulter. It’s a total waste of space; the only reason anyone would ever cite that website is because the claims posted are too ludicrous to be taken seriously by any real news site and so it’s the only place they show up. It’s a completely unreliable partisan shitspreader almost on the level with Drudge Report. And it shows its glorious pedigree here by talking to “scientists” from the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, a collection of insane partisan hacks which run only slightly on the “sane” side of Whale.to.
You should know better, Magellan. Nobody cares what these people have to say. Or at least, nobody should - at least until they provide some decent evidence. As is, this is just… Ugh. Painful to read.
Well, I’d rather give them health care and vaccinations than send them back to the hell hole they’re trying to escape from. What a terrible choice the parents have to make.
It’s also cheaper, what with not having to support a multi-billion dollar health insurance industry and all.
Because while humanitarian ambition sees no limit, medicine, doctors, and money do.
Leave aside the source for a second. How long have illegal immigrants been crossing into the US? Fifty years? A hundred? How many public health crises have they prompted already?
I’ve always thought this was a terribly poor choice of analogy. This isn’t the line to Space Mountain at Disneyland. If someone gets ahead of someone else, oh well, we’re not going to shut down the ride to spite everyone. For many people, getting to this country is a life or death situation. If I was one of them, you can bet I’ll do everything I can to get here, legal or not. I don’t begrudge anyone from coming in, especially since it takes years to do so. Those who do wait often can afford to. Those who can’t should do whatever it takes
I’m a legal immigrant to this country, and this is nonsense. For most illegal immigration source countries, there basically is no “turn” to wait for. Mexican immigrants with no immediate family ties to US citizens have no chance of being allowed to immigrate legally.
FTR, I am not in favor of an open border. I don’t really have much of a problem with the way things work right now.
Yep.
I take this about as seriously as my fifth grade teacher who argued that white and black people shouldn’t breed because it would spread the incidence of sickle-cell anemia.
Part of me desperately wants to ask what context the teacher tossed out that nugget of idiocy in, but another part has no wish to know at all.
Sarcasm aside, he is good evidence of what a bubble of information can do to someone, and there is ignorance also shown in the inhability to identify good sources.
It requires some effort, but how one can separate the good from the bad can be learned also.
(Why the media screw up science. ¨What is your source?¨)
Stringbean is quite correct. That’s why the Red Cross and Medecins sans Frontieres collapsed so publically all that time ago, and why there are no major humanitarian organisations today. They simply frittered all their valuables away.
Of course humanitarian ambition sees limits.