We already have the language police in the Pit for other slurs.
As to the “euphemism treadmill”, these changes happen what? Once-ish a generation? I think Mr. Stanhope can adapt.
We already have the language police in the Pit for other slurs.
As to the “euphemism treadmill”, these changes happen what? Once-ish a generation? I think Mr. Stanhope can adapt.
I’m not a word history expert, but I’m pretty sure the use of ‘lame’ as a negative adjective came from it’s use to describe lack of mobility. I mean, there are people out there that argue that using ‘gay’ as a pejorative has nothing to do with homosexuals because they don’t mean it to refer to homosexual men. ‘gay’ just means:
I don’t buy that either.
I think maybe the “-tard” suffix is moving steadily toward the point where almost no one associates it with its origins, but I could be wrong. Once it’s there, we shouldn’t condemn it.
It’s certainly not there yet, so I think I pretty much agree with you. In fact, I’m glad you brought it to my attention.
I see no way of divorcing it from its origins.
Of course. No one is disputing that. The poster meant that it hasn’t been used to mean “a HUMAN with limited mobility” since about 1910.
One of my favorite examples of this is “lousy.” When is the last time anyone thought of lice (perhaps in addition to its current, extended meaning)? I’d guess maybe 1850?
I’ll agree that there is a slippery slope involved, but that hate and slurs are at the bottom of the slope, and that respectful discourse is at the top.
That’s simply flat out wrong. Don’t be silly*. I’ll wager that at least 10% of the words you use in any sentence had some meaning somewhere in their past that was in some sense pejorative at the time. (The exact percentage varies depending on how far back you want to go and still consider it the same “word”). Be nice**.
*See what I did there?
**And there?
To clarify:
silly: late Middle English (in the sense ‘deserving of pity or sympathy’): alteration of dialect seely ‘happy’, later ‘innocent, feeble’, from a West Germanic base meaning ‘luck, happiness’. The sense ‘foolish’ developed via the stages ‘feeble’ and ‘unsophisticated, ignorant’.
nice: Middle English (in the sense ‘stupid’): from Old French, from Latin nescius ‘ignorant’, from nescire ‘not know’. Other early senses included ‘coy, reserved’, giving rise to ‘fastidious, scrupulous’: this led both to the sense ‘fine, subtle’ (regarded by some as the ‘correct’ sense), and to the main current senses.
We’re talking about this particular word. Certainly, it is possible that the derivative words will ultimately divorce themselves from their source, but I doubt that will happen within the lifetime of Modern English.
Fair enough. We’ll see.
I have made that point repeatedly. Which is why we don’t need any personal insults.
There is no need for a long list of what can be said if there is no personal insults.
To be sure, some rants against public figures or the anonymous car repairman or something would still be there, but we’d cut out most of the problem,
And 'goat-felcher. " And so forth.
No, not entirely. Some of the rants are excellent.
I don’t know of any other board where you are allowed to call other posters names.
Exactly.
Have we actually banned the c-word?
You’re not the first to make it, but this is just a horrible, horrible argument. Check your privilege, you’re not the one the slur is directed against. The agenda is not to “out” despicable people, I really couldn’t give a shit if despicable people are here but are forced to suppress their true nature. What is important is is to make this a welcoming place for everyone to participate without having their dignity as a human being slurred.
Silly to think one needs permission to use a word.
Anyways cunt isn’t banned in the Pit. The bringing back of the word off the restricted list was actually celebrated. Furthermore, this trend of labeling something and declaring it so is tired.
Yes, yes you have…
Going for a formal topic ban are ya?
In Ed’s most recent guidance, he said:
Does that include disability, as well?
The existence of the Pit objectively falsifies this premise.
Somebody got busted for faggot in the Pit just the other day.
You’re not the first to make it, but this is just a horrible, horrible argument. Check your privilege, you’re not the one the slur is directed against.
Good point, I think. You’ve made me rethink my including this in my reasoning.
But I still don’t think it should be listed as a banned word, and I still think it occasionally can accidentally play a minor role as a “tool for outing.”
But I agree that shouldn’t be an explicit reason to not ban it outright.
The existence of the Pit objectively falsifies this premise.
How? The Pit is not exempt from rules about hate speech. There’s a huge and qualitative difference between being mad at someone and telling them to go fuck themselves and disrepecting the human dignity of an entire class of people.