I wasn’t talking specifically about free speech, but rather what should and shouldn’t be tolerated by our society. Free speech is a really difficult knot to untangle; on the one hand, saying something isn’t the same as hitting someone, but I don’t think anyone would argue that words don’t hurt. Kids are bullied to death online all the time.
A bright line example of something that should be blocked? I don’t know. I can leave that to people who are more expert than I am on this issue than I am. I do support the idea that people can’t say everything everywhere, any time.
Unbelievable.
My father-In-law is in a seniors home in Niagara. According to the local newspapers, there hasn’t been a single health care worker or single senior in the entire region vaccinated yet. The latest estimate is they’ll start here “maybe sometime next week”
The Fed’s have the vaccine and resources to start on prisoners today! Yes, I know it’s a provincial responsibility, but clearly the provinces need help.
Yet another Trudeau fumble. What a sad sad country we live in.
It seems logical to me. Federal inmates are still Canadian citizens and human beings. And if an outbreak occurs in prison, then it doesn’t just stay there. It doesn’t seem like much of a fumble to me.
No, I’m not being sarcastic at all. Vaccines can be distributed to multiple places where there’s a need at once. Prisons are a place that have been hard hit, and again this can spread easily to medical staff at the prison, guards, etc.
As for the rest of your “post” and the unnecessary snark (the horror that somebody might disagree with you… especially about Trudeau who MUST be hated BECAUSE R.E.A.S.O.N.S!!!), to quote Dark Willow: Bored now.
Don’t disagree at all with you. Obviously I missed the memo that you saw saying that the whole prioritizing front line workers was being scrapped in favour of "multiple places where there’s a need. "
The seniors citizens and front line workers in Niagara and other places salute your blind devotion to “He, who can do no wrong…EVER!!”
Trudeau does plenty I don’t agree with, and when he does I express it. I know that for someone with a blind hatred of him that must mean that everyone must be equally blindly in love with him or hate him. But some of us are actually capable of looking at things on a case-by-case basis. Prisons have a high probability of being badly hit by SARS-CoV-2, so stopping infections there helps the overall scheme of preventing outbreaks overall. Is it strictly speaking optimal? Maybe not, but it isn’t such an egregiously bad idea to say that it is a fumble either. At least from my point of view, your mileage will certainly vary.
(Interestingly enough, I’m currently researching a model for vaccine distribution to optimize the speed of distribution and minimize outbreaks. Obviously, it will not be used in this pandemic, but it may be used sometime in the future.)
If he’s going against the advice of public health officials, then it’s a terrible idea. If he’s following the advice of public health officials, then it’s a good idea.
Am I missing something? The headline says older and at risk prisoners are getting the vaccine. So this is still prioritizing seniors, no? I can only assume you believe a prison sentence is supposed to put you back of the line regardless of health risks?
Well you know what they say about making assumptions…
Not to the back of the line, but certainly behind front line workers and seniors that are dying in seniors homes across the country which both federal and provincial health systems all agreed were the number one priority just weeks ago.
Agreed - I’ve been looking for the comment and support from heath care ministries which says seniors in prisons take precedence over front line heath care workers but I haven’t seen anything at all that suggests that.
Also, when I say frontline healthcare workers, I am not just referring to workers at seniors homes or PCW’s, i’m referring to doctors, nurses, paramedics etc. in hospitals, assessing and treating Covid cases. In Niagara there have been absolutely zero vaccinations of anybody so far. None.
This is not a case of “we are starting on prisoners because we’ve got the highest risk population out of the way or even “mostly” done” this is a case where “we are starting on prisoners in spite of the fact we have entire regions of the country with zero vaccines and no set date for even when we will get to those areas.”
Well, that’s ridiculous. The feds are in charge of the prisons so they are taking care of vaccinations there. Provinces are in charge of vaccinations in seniors homes. If the provinces were actually running out of vaccines rather than running behind, then you might have some kind of morally dubious point.
No, what’s actually ridiculous is the feds and the provinces put their best minds together and collectively decided that front line workers and senior citizens should be first in line to get the vaccine.
If the provinces are struggling to deliver that and the feds have a private/separate supply of vaccine [which they have indicated they do] and they have the capability to deliver that vaccine, [which they have indicated they do], the ridiculous part is why is that vaccine not being delivered to the parties they have previously all agreed are most critical ones and first in line.
There is absolutely nothing I have read anywhere that ever suggested prison populations of seniors should take precedence over healthcare workers. Do you have a cite for that? Please let me eat my words!
I already pointed out these vaccines were going to seniors in prison so I don’t know what to tell you, buddy. The priority was seniors and healthcare workers.
You want to talk about a fumble. The Conservative party today posted a meme saying that Justin Trudeau is trying to rig the next election. It was removed pretty quickly but talk about being tone deaf to everything going on right now. Nothing is ever lost on the Internet so I suspect that may come back to haunt them later.
Buddy - What you can tell me is some justification why seniors in a prisoner are weeks, if not months, ahead of healthcare workers who are risking their lives treating sick people right now, Tell me why seniors in a prison are in line ahead of my father-in-law who has been literally in lockdown since September, not allowed to leave and no visitors and who stood looking out the glass window crying because he couldn’t give his grandchildren a hug at what may be last Christmas.
Please tell me that buddy, that’s what I really want to hear.
Oh and one more thing buddy, while you’re telling me that please find all the other countries in the world that are vaccinating senior prisoners ahead of their healthcare workers.
I’d really like to hear that buddy, that would make me feel a lot better about our government and the people making decisions there.
I guess they’re “ahead” because the federal government has very few people that they are directly responsible for healthcare wise so it’s a less complicated rollout. You are angry that the feds are fulfilling a legal and moral requirement to care for the people in their custody.
