No I’m not. Different societies have very different standards on this. In some you could be sent to the gulag for a careless comment, in others executed for insulting someone of higher social standing. Western democracies used to espouse tolerance and free speech as values, and those are part of what made these countries so great. If we abandon those values, we will all be worse off.
I’m not asking other people to watch what they say, I’m asking them to be more tolerant of others, both of mistakes and of differing beliefs.
As the Supreme court said about the MAGA kid, and what other judges are telling Trump to stop using his power to, not only cancel others, but to arrest them and send them to gulags…
I agree in part, but lets not forget that on the whole, the right is more, more, more wrong on this issue.
Yeah, we see things actually spiraling towards gulags now (and not implemented by the PC warriors of the left!), and certain people are still upset that they can’t freely diss trans folks without getting a little side-eye.
It is, in fact, no big deal. That’s literally the baseline expectation for living in a society. You are always going have to be aware of where you are, who you’re talking to, and how your words might affect them. That’s not an unreasonable expectation, that’s being an adult.
No, that’s included in the modern social justice conception of a safe space. The problem is, you can’t make a place safe for everyone - sometimes making a safe place for one type of person implicitly makes it unsafe for another type.
For a non-political example, a safe-space for people with autism, where they can spend time socializing without masking, is a great idea. As someone who is not autistic, I’d find that space profoundly uncomfortable, because I’d be surrounded by people who are making no attempt at the kind of non-verbal interactions that I rely on to know if someone is safe to be around. I’d have to constantly be careful about what I say, because even though my natural instinct might be to call out someone for being a jerk, I know that I’m in a space that was specifically curated for people with autism, and not me.
Yeah. But my point was that there are lots of people (some on this very board) who genuinely, honestly, and most sincerely believe that Trump voters are Nazis, by definition. Those people are stupid and wrong, and when they call someone a Nazi we should demand a lot of proof.
As I touched on elsewhere, in our societies there has ALWAYS been some standard that you should pause about what you share and how you share it in public or in “polite company” or in specific spaces. Varying by time/place circumstance, but there has always been one. It has never been an absolute let it all hang out environment.
It was said that trump had a book with speeches from Hitler.
Trump complained, he corrected other that it was actually Mein Kampf. Of course him being a dummkopf, he declared later to not read that either, but that is debatable.
Looking at today, I more seriously see Trump as a Nazi cosplayer. That can become a more serious Nazi very quickly.
Straw-man. Read it again, I even said in this thread that I did condemn what the extreme left did in those days.
But Trump and his henchmen can with impunity?
It has already been seen that on the left side of things it is not very effective and one can say that that is a good thing, still, nowadays; the courts did see a lot of gross exaggerations coming from the right in discussions like this one.
And again, you can only said what you did by willfully ignoring that I did condemn what the extreme left in Russia and in China where doing then.
As for your post here, it is noticeable that you ignore the cites I made before.
Clearly, what Trump and henchmen are doing can’t be defended. And that is what is happening now. If the Democratic party was in power, this would not be happening.
I judge any claim on its merits and the credibility of the source. Given that an independent investigation commissioned by AMC in conjunction with a major law firm found that Dysktra tried to smear Hardwick with unsubstantiated accusations, I wouldn’t consider any of Dysktra’s claims to be credible. One wonders what the point was of publishing an article that, while not explicitly naming Hardwick, contained just enough information that he was immediately identified by the social media gossip circuit and his career canceled, albeit only temporarily.
I sincerely hope we’re not actually living in a society where any statement that conveys the sentiment “the woman is lying” is instantly equated with misogyny. The ability to lie has no gender boundaries.
ETA: My understanding from what I’ve read about the issues between Dysktra and Hardwick is that Hardwick was no saint in that relationship. But as often happens when tales get told and re-told again, major elements of hyperbole start to creep in, and before long, “acting like a jerk” becomes “sexual predator” in the emotionally elevated re-telling.
Nope, that was directed at Trump and right wingers doing real cancellations, what you say here is just Piffle, What Trump did needs to be condemned.
Who is “we” Kimosabe?
But I was ready for that, as I already mentioned what Trump is similarly doing with the cancellation of the speech of Palestinians.
“The Trump administration’s baseless, after-the-fact charges against Mahmoud Khalil are nothing more than further retaliation for his outspoken advocacy for Palestinian human rights,” said Amy Belsher, Director of Immigrants’ Rights Litigation at the NYCLU. “These flimsy accusations only reveal the targeted nature of his arrest and the ongoing attempts to silence and remove him. It’s past time the government gave up its unlawful attacks on Mahmoud and his family.”
“The government has gone to extraordinary and outrageous lengths in its attempt to silence Mahmoud Khalil, including leveling unsubstantiated and retaliatory charges against him,” said Liza Weisberg, ACLU-NJ Senior Staff Attorney. “We will continue to defend Mr. Khalil’s freedom as he is targeted for his advocacy in support of Palestinian rights, and we are confident he will ultimately prevail."
Of course, the right Trump voters did this too. And with the support of the Republicans in his administration.
Uh, taking it to the courts was precisely a way to deal with what appeared on the surface to be unjustified asinine “cancellations” from media and other organizations that in reality are not much in favor of the “left”.
And that is fine, the issue with your say-so’s here is that they grossly ignore who is weaponizing the cancellations nowadays. You are just doing an equivalence fallacy about what cancelling is for the current left-wing and the current right-wing.
That is just nitpicking, in any case, you are still just doing an equivalence fallacy about what cancelling is for the current left-wing and the current right-wing.