I still want to know who “you all” are.
Really? Let me quote a snippet of something I previously posted:
So maybe I’m 25% misogynistic and 15% misandrist. 
Or, maybe, I just impartially follow the available evidence, and draw the most likely conclusions. As opposed to statements like this:
No, pal, you need to believe people on the basis of their evidence-based credibility, not on their gender or race.
The reason I brought up court cases several times is that this is the best way society has yet found to establish the facts when there are conflicting claims between parties. It’s based on a dispassionate analysis of evidence, and in the cases where there’s no possibility of an absolute determination, on assigning probable likelihoods to one side of an argument or another.
But you’re not following evidence. You’re following your own feelings. There is literally not a shred of factual evidence that Dysktra was dishonest or had any malicious motives. Only your feelings.
Actually, using “woke” as a slur, shows a lot of ignorance. It is also a way to silence dissent, as many right wingers did before with many movements and slogans from the ones that complained of being traditionally silenced in the past.
When Trump was in charge, “Black Lives Matter” and Antifa eventually became the new villains. Thus started a newfound racial and ideological divide. During the Biden years, it morphed into claims about his family’s alleged criminality, and in more recent times, the topic at hand has transformed yet again into anyone and everyone who is either woke, or who supports or benefits from the idea of DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion). Which brings us to where we are today.
At face value, DEI is basically a means to help those with disadvantages, differences and struggles to have a better chance to survive for themselves in today’s “normal” world. It is a compassionate position, which is what our better selves hope the world could be. If you are a woman, have a disability, are of a minority race, or you are part of the LGBT community, you have the same rights of anyone else to make a good and fair living. If you can do the job, you should not be discriminated against for any of the above reasons. That was the goal of DEI. It was a noble idea, which under Trump has become a negative and will soon disappear.
Article contentWoke, on the other hand was a verb that was turned into a noun, originally about being aware of all those around you, or reading through the lines of life, if you will. Something to do with the struggles of others and the mindset that we are all humans sharing this planet, and how such should be the concern of everyone. Woke, in other words, originated as the awareness that the world is a mess, along with a desire to make it better through understanding and compassion. We strive to put people in power that share the same sentiment.
Oh, but now, being woke and wokeness are now negative. Caring about others, and trying to make society more caring and compassionate are not good things, according to the political right wing. Pierre Poilievre, and to a lesser extent Doug Ford pledge to end wokeness like it is some sort of disease. Since when did being good become such an evil?
Can you quote the posts (aside from @Zoobi’s) that did that? Maybe I missed them.
@Babale @DemonTree @wolfpup so far I think. (That’s duck guy was banned it seems). That’s the crew that usually enters these anti-woke vs woke “debates” I mean I am sure you can come up with the list of woke posters you argue against in all of these all well.
Huh? It was just in the past post.
I’m asking if anyone aside from @Zoobi used the term woke derogatorily in this thread.
He’s attributing the idea that “woke” is derogatory to me and DemonTree, but I didn’t make that claim, and I don’t see that she did in this thread either.
Oh, I should not answer to him? I guess I should be silent. 
Ah… issue there with that last clause. May be criticized IF there’s a well-founded critique to be made. But not casually.
And of course the critic is subject to be called out on whether it was “well-founded” or not.
@Zoobi wasn’t using “woke” in a derogatory manner, he was claiming (falsely, mistakenly maybe?) that other people did.
Perhaps, it does deserve a reply to those that do.
The voices in @Zoobi’s head deserve a reply?
Whoa, I guess I really should be silent. In any case in the past other posters like DemonTree used DEI and other slogans as a slur before, in the USA, woke and many other words are still used as slurs.
You are all free to substitute whatever other cluster of words you want to label the movement you are opposed to that includes things like #metoo or DEI etc. I believe illiberal left was also a term used, but I find it lacking myself. The scare-quoted woke seems the most pithy to me.
Well, I guess I have to thank you for confirming what I suspected. Really, “Woke” is a good example of how the right turned good slogans into slurs with the objective to silence others.
Why do you keep pretending that I’m against #metoo? And where did I say anything about “DEI”?
I’d be very grateful if you stopped making stuff up about me from whole cloth.
My experience with ‘progressive thought’ is pretty much entirely online - first through various blogs back when I thought it was a good idea (now presumably out of date), and debating with progressives here and on Twitter (and reading Reddit) in the last few years. It’s quite possible there is a more sophisticated version, but all the people repeating simplistic arguments they only half understood also exist, and are representative of the movement too.
I also find many people here are not well up on what young people believe, given the average age on the forum.
I’m not against safe spaces. I’m against the naive implementation of them, where people think they can make a common space safe for everyone and end up excluding a whole bunch of people. And I’m against trying to turn the world into a safe space by demanding everyone comply with an escalating series of demands to watch their words, read the room, keep abreast of constantly changing progressive shibboleths, and treat minor failings as worse than murder. And then lying that it’s just basic politeness.
I have no problem whatsoever with turning away the guy in the ‘Adam and Eve’ shirt from the gay bar.
Oh, I see. I often can’t tell anyway; it’s not exactly a top 10 problem. 
I understand why it might make you uncomfortable, because in that situation you would be the one unable to read social cues or predict how people would react.
But I don’t understand why you’d feel people were being jerks to you specifically. What if you’re not in a ‘safe space’ for autists, and you’re talking to someone who can’t mask, or can’t do it well (or even just chooses not to)? Do you feel they are being a jerk to you just by being themselves? Do you feel entitled to demand they start masking?
I am quite confident people can read posting histories and determine if they think I’m accurate or not in my assessment. If they don’t, that’s great, we have free speech after all.
This is all a hijack anyway. The topic is Cancel Culture. I claim #metoo is a fundamental aspect of that.
This is what basic politeness is. Watch your words, read the room, keep abreast of changing norms, and get whalloped for being impolite.
These days, instead of being judged for using the fish fork on your salad, wearing white after Labor Day, or for being a single mom, people are dinged for demeaning someone, or sexually assaulting someone, celebrating the CSA, or wanting to casually deny someone their own freedoms.