Who says I’m not giving them a “fair hearing”? White supremacism has had far, far more than a “fair hearing”.
And I explained how I’m deciding, at least as best I can. Only when it’s truly necessary, usually to show that certain flavors of advocacy should not be welcome in civilized society.
Now, once again (third time?), @Demontree, the coffee-shop: Suppose I find out that the owner of the local coffee shop is using his profits to advocate for white supremacist causes, and using an anonymous internet identity to push this advocacy. Is it wrong for me to expose this, and advocate for others to stop buying coffee there?
What arguments do you think I haven’t heard that queer people are all pedophiles? What arguments do you think I haven’t heard that Black people are inherently criminal? What arguments do you think I haven’t heard that Jews run the media and the banks? What argument do you think I haven’t heard that women shouldn’t have jobs outside the workplace?
I used to hang out on a message board that tried really hard to let “both sides” have their say. It ended up with people literally posting swastikas in messages, and the owner wandered by one day, was completely shocked, and shut it down.
I was just googling how many IQ points you lose by being drunk to decide if I should wait until tomorrow to reply. But this is a wild story. What message board was it? And why did you stick around as it went full Nazi?
You and I are agreement that government censorship is different than private censorship The point is, people like to try to take an absolute stance against censorship, and that is downright impossible because everyone supports some form of censorship. That’s why it’s so important to distinguish between government censorship and private censorship, but that’s also why it’s so important to recognize why both are considered censorship.
When I used to post on usenet, this was the eventual result of every single unmoderated group that I had ever been a part of. If you don’t do some work moderating the board, it will turn into a cesspool of white supremacy and pornography. The eventual result was that everyone else left.
I think the only reason why sites like Facebook and X are still viable is because they do some work moderating the pornography.
I am unaware of the “stances” on most subjects of every person on the board. Whether this is an overexpectation of yours or my personal deficiency, I couldn’t say. I try to post to make my stance clear in each thread anew. I wasn’t trying to gotcha you either, but merely reading the plain words you wrote.
If you don’t mean the plain words, then try to remember that some people won’t get the underlying meaning. That’s advice applicable to all of us, not a personal dig.
@DemonTree, suppose I find out that the owner of the local coffee shop is using his profits to advocate for white supremacist causes, and using an anonymous internet identity to push this advocacy. Is it wrong for me to expose this, and advocate for others to stop buying coffee there?
How about a real world example.
I worked in a rental car business and hired an ex offender who had been convicted of under age sex.
All indications from the powers that be were that it was a one time thing, AND where he works he has not contact with anybody under 21 who is unsupervised.
If “the public” finds out, and organises a boycott to get me to fire him is that “correct” or “appropriate”
This, in my mind represents one aspect of cancel culture.
Something that i would definitely rail against.
No. I don’t want to live in a society (with no UBI) where someone’s livelihood can be ruined because a mob of self appointed judges and juries deemed it just and no sane, moral person should either. I also don’t want to live in a society where a mistake means your life is practically over from that point on, even if the mistake has been rectified or the person rehabilitated.
Here’s a relevant quote from Huxley:
“The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior ‘righteous indignation’ — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”
I would generally agree we need a way to let people atone/ pay the price/ serve their time and then be able to move on and be reaccepted into society.
I have a similar incident. One of the adults in my karate program had a son who was convicted of sexual assault as a minor. I don’t know the details, just that he did several years in juvie.
When he got out, he was put on the sex offender list, but it had an IIRC 10 year expiration date such that if he stayed clean he would come off the registry.
As an 18 year old he started attending the program with his parent. I got to know him a bit and he seemed to be a really nice young man. Until someone checking the sex offender list found him. We couldn’t have him participate even as just a student because of the interaction with children and teens, even in the “adult” program.
It’s frustrating because he could probably have used the positive role models and reinforcement. But as a business we couldn’t allow it.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
I’m not sure when the left decided it was good to be a busybody.
I agree, we need workers protections against being fired for ridiculous or trivial reasons.
I just think it’s weird how many people make the issue specifically about being caught on camera screaming the “n-word,” and not, say, getting fired because your car broke down on the freeway and you were fifteen minutes late clocking in.