Captain of USN Aircraft carrier begs for help as COVID19 ravages ships company.

POTUS wanted him fired so he was fired. Executive privilege. Nothing new; nothing to see here. Move along now.

Before Trump weighed in, the word was that he wouldn’t be punished.

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Friday that his firing of the captain who raised the alarm about a coronavirus outbreak onboard a U.S. aircraft carrier was the “hardest thing that I’ve ever had to do.”
Was it the hardest thing because he knew it was wrong?

My guess is that Captain Crozier has traded his career for the lives of, oh, maybe ten of this sailors. In peacetime, that admirable.

P.S. In addition to sailors who might have died from the high viral load of such close quarters, some would survive with permanent health damage caused by prolonged time-on-ventilator-related injury.

Those are pre-WWII bunks, when I visited the New Jersey (BB-62), the bunks had been switched over to the modern style on one of the refits. But the North Carolina was Decommissioned: June 1947. Some ships in WWII still used actual hammocks.

That can’t be it. Of course, they’re jammed together. As noted, they basically sleep on top of each other for weeks on end.

This wasn’t a picture of them sleeping. Just because they have been in high risk situations doesn’t mean they should put themselves in even more high risk situations when it’s not necessary.

Lol, there is absolutely no value in trying to social distance on a battleship.

Ages ago when my girlfriend and I saw Outland, High Noon in space, there was a scene where Sean Connery chased the bad guys through the station on Io, including the berthing spaces. When we were leaving, GF remarked, “That dormitory looked horrible.”

I laughed and told her that, except for being stacked five high instead of three, they were your standard naval modular bunk, and the sailors were glad to get 'em.

For what it is worth, battleship has a meaning, if you want to be generic, use Combat ship or Combat Vessel. Or be specific and say Carrier. The New Jersey is a Battleship, The Roosevelt is a Carrier. Both are combat vessels.

Now tell me the difference between gun and rifle. :stuck_out_tongue:
Eta: only thing I remember about Outland is that I kinda liked shotguns in a space movie.

That must be an Army or Marine thing. Not so much Navy.

Well, it was an allusion to “This is my rifle, this is my gun” but I’ve met a few military guys and fans who would say something similar to what you just did if someone uses “gun” for things other than artillery.

I was on a carrier, we didn’t really have guns outside of the Phalanx systems. Before I got on board we had 5" guns, but I’m not sure when they were pulled off. I think they were removed little by little and the last of the original 8 might have made it until the early 80s. We had Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates to defend us with their guns, so we didn’t carry any by the time I got there. The Phalanx Machine guns were pretty effective though as anti-missile defense especially.

There is a method of personnel transfer called Synthetic High-line Transfer. It was still a required skill to practice once every year or two back in the mid-00’s and I had the opportunity to do it between two destroyers on my first ship. They sent me over and back first as a sort of test dummy, then the Commodore for the Destroyer Squadron went over just for kicks.

But, yeah, that’s not something that’s done very often, if ever (it may not even be required for training purposes anymore). Even ships without embarked aircraft would tend to use small boats. If the seas are too rough to use a boat… they tend to wait until they aren’t.

One uses a magazine and the other a clip?

At least a hammock doesn’t roll with the ship :slight_smile:

And now Modly has insulted Crozier to the ship’s crew:

Mosby said he knew the crew would probably be angry with him for the rest of their lives. Damned straight. What an ass Mosby is. What a monumental ass.

Way to inspire the crew.

That’s obviously not Modley speaking; those are Trump’s words coming out of Modley’s mouth. I’m not defending the acting secretary, but I find it hard to believe that someone who’s worn the uniform would actually believe that this is a way to restore calm in the face of a crisis.

That being said, something I’ve been warning about for a long time is now becoming abundantly clear: given time, Trump can change the culture of the military. I think Snowboarder Bo and I were challenged on this by an ex Marine on this site who claimed that no man in uniform would follow through on an illegal or unconstitutional order, and our response was that, in fact, all indications are that they would.

This has been proven true in multiple psychological experiments and in real life: people obey authority. People want to keep their jobs. People want to keep their status. Don’t be so naive as to believe that Trump couldn’t ultimately find enough people who want to keep their jobs and want their jobs badly enough to follow through on patently illegal, unconstitutional, and immoral conduct. We already know that the Navy Sec. is following through on outrageously immoral orders. We also know this administration gives absolutely zero fucks about the law and the Constitution.

So I’ll ask, what makes anyone - anyone - believe that the military would not follow through on martial law under the right (or wrong) circumstances?

Well that didn’t go down well.

Let’s hope there is video of this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8192369/Acting-navy-secretary-trashes-coronavirus-aircraft-carriers-fired-captain-naive-stupid.html

The very fact that the commander of an Aircraft Carrier took it upon himself to do the right thing is what makes me believe that Trump won’t change the culture of the military in a meaningful way. Carrier Captains are pretty much fast track to Admiral. He knew there was a good chance he was throwing that away and even throwing away his current command. He did it.