card games

In My Humble Opinion
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A couple a quick card game questions, but since the second part is kind of survey style I decide to post in here.

  1. Does anyone know of any card games other than Euchre where cheating is allowed?

  2. In Asshole do you play that you can throw three of a kind on top of a pair, or do you have to stick with the same number of card as the lead.(Sadly enough,I’ve seen this issue lead to many fights).

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  1. Cheating is allowed in Euchre??? What kind of Euchre are you playing? More specifically, what kind of cheating are you talking about? To paraphrase most books of card games I’ve seen (and in particular The American Playing Card Company’s rules) cheating is not allowed in any card game, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t set “house rules” beforehand which would legalise in your game what would elsewhere be considered cheating. For example, if you’re playing Poker and you want two pair to be the highest hand in the game, it’s OK: so long as everyone playing in the game agrees to that rule. It’s your game–the “rules” of card games as printed in books are only suggested laws (except in official tournaments, where very strict laws are followed) and can be changed to suit your taste. The key is that everyone who’s playing in the game should know what the rules are before the game starts, especially if there is some “unusual” law that some might consider to be “cheating”.

David Parfitt in A History of Card Games makes this point a lot better than I do, but unfortunately I left the book back in the States.

  1. See above. As long as everyone agrees to the rules beforehand, you can do anything. In the seven or eight books on card games I’ve read (yes, I know the men in the white coats are coming for me), I’ve seen both rules. However, the card game for which you have to stick with the same number of discards is usually called “I Doubt It,” with all other games of the same ilk allowing you to discard as many cards as you like. Hence I would tend to agree with the first part of your comment. But, again, make sure everyone agrees to the rules before you start.
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Hehe,I was kind of wondering if cheating was a good way to put it. I’m specifically talking about reneging, but put cheating cause I didn’t know how to spell reneging(and still don’t)

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I always thought cheating in anything was perfectly legal, it’s getting caught that you get punished for. :slight_smile:

Ahh, the innocence of youth. I have never played most of these games, except for I Doubt It (of course, that’s not what we call it). As in so many cases, I was lured into this post by an innocent-looking title, immediately thought of a witty reply, and found myself unable to leave without posting it, and a small essay to go along with it. Good luck finding your answers!

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If by “Asshole” you mean the same game commonly known as “Feudal Wars”, which is very similar to “The Great Dalmuti”, then the answer is yes, a triple can be played on a double, but only if the rank of the cards is higher… so two sevens can be beaten by two eights or three eights or two kings or three aces, but not by three fours or three sevens or one ace…

and “I doubt it” is, in my experience, totally unrelated… it’s the same as “bull****”, and, when played properly, has no restriction on the number of cards you can play. So I can play a five, then the person to my left can play 3 fives, and then 2 fives, and then 4 fives, and then 1 five, etc. (You just keep playing fives until someone calls BS). (And of course, you can play 7 cards out of your hand and claim it’s just 2 fives if no one catches you)

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If you played a five in. . . let’s say “I Doubt It,” wouldn’t the next person play sixes?

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Wolfman, there is a Euchre-like game called “45” for which I professed my love on an earlier thread (I’d link it, but AOL is very non-conducive to linking). You can renege the top three cards if your partner has the trick won. The top three cards are, in order, the 5 of trump, the Jack of trump and the Ace of Hearts, which in this game is called the “vauche” (french for cow).
We just played spades with a friend from Minnesota. I explained 45 to him and he said it sound alot like Euchre, so that’s our next game to learn.

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When I’m playing cribbage, and the other guy isn’t watching me all that closely, I feel free to peg as many points as I like.

“Okay, fifteen two four six eight and the double run for sixteen, flush of four for twenty, nobs for twenty-one. Your count.”

{while he’s squinting at my hand to see if I’m cheating him, I’m pegging twenty-six.}

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There is a game I played in high school called “Cheat”, but I can’t remember the rules.

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In the version of Asshole that I’ve played (alias “President”)… once a pair has been led, it can’t be “beaten” by a three-of-a-kind.
You’re only allowed to keep playing pairs of higher ranks – it’s your choice if this means breaking up the precious three-of-a-kind in your hand so as to unload cards – until the deuces or other highest-card-available have been played. The person who played the highest pair for that round then gets to lead off with whatever combination s/he feels like playing next: A single, a pair, a three-of-a-kind, or more.

C’mon. Give the guy a fighting chance and tell him that you’re actually pegging 19. :smiley: :smiley:

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The Asshole game I was talking about is a drinking game “President/asshole” I guess, but I’ve never heard it called that, There is a President, and everybody else has a rank in between. I always grew up playing the rules the way Havoc describes, but half the people I meet seem to have grown up playing some wussy version where any pair could be played on a single, and any triple on a pair.

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I’ve played a game or hundred of Asshole - and this thing always comes up -

We play where any double beats a single and any triple beats a double - fairly simple. Plus social drink on fours which does interfere with the cards underneath it (that is, what you have to play on), 2s clear, card on top of the same card skip, and 4 of a kind is a social. President exchanges a card with the asshole before the round. You can make a rule after 3 presidencies. And the first round is simply played for position.

Those are our rules - except that we also play that starting from the president down and working towards the asshole - you can make the players who are “below” you - do almost anything - drink, chug, go get you a beer, sing or drink, dance or drink - anything.

And the presidents rule can be equally annoying - like if you get caught drinking with your right hand you have to finish your beer, the thumb rule, drink if you cuss, drink if you don’t cuss, fake an orgasm if you play a six, anything the president decrees.

As it seems, for us playing the actual card game is almost irrelevant to the amount of fun you can have.

  • Peter Wiggen
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As I remember the rules of Euchre (and my memory is, admittedly suspect), reneging is NOT allowed.

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In the Illuminati, New World Order game one is encouraged to cheat. The only thing is, if you are caught you have to undo your cheat without griping about it.

HUGS!
Sqrl

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:rolleyes: Does this happen to everyone at some point during their SDMB career? At 1:00 AM you make a long post about the psychological nature of card games and life (What is cheating?) only to find when you look at the board the next day that the poster meant “reneging,” not “cheating.” wolfman, I’ll forgive you 'cause I had no real idea what you meant by the game “Asshole.” (I thought it was the same as “Bullshit.” A curse is a curse, I guess.)

On reneging…I thought reneging was neither legal nor illegal, but just was a way of saying that you had done something wrong (re my prior post, “against the accepted rules”) which invalidated your bid and caused you to forfeit the hand. For example, in Pinochle, if you bid, pick up the kitty (or widow), and play to the first trick without discarding, you renege. In Pinochle, reneging means that you lose as many points as your bid. Euchre, being a bidding game, works the same way.

Spooje is therefore right–reneging is not allowed in Euchre, assuming that by “reneging” you mean whatever it was you did to forfeit your bid. Whatever reneging means in practice is up to you and your fellow card-players. Hope this clears it up for you–I admit I’m starting to tie myself into mental knots over it!