Cat Litter Box Help!

I’ve had multiple cats for years with nary a problem with peeing outside the box. I arrogantly laughed at friends who would report that their cat got mad at them and pissed in the middle of the bed. My situation is not that bad yet, but I would like to solve the problem before it gets to that!

FORGIVE ME THIS IS REALLY LONG! But I’m trying to provide as much detail as possible.

We have a dog and four cats, all acquired at various times. We’ve never had problems beyond a day or two’s worth of barking and hissing when introducing a new family member, and we have no obvious conflicts between any of the pets - they all get along and there are several pairs of super-best-buddies that will groom and cuddle and play with each other.

The newest addition was Georgette, back in October. She was my in-law’s cat but they couldn’t take her when they moved so we brought her to stay with us. She’s the oldest of the cats, probably more than 10, and was outdoor/indoor for all her life. My mother-in-law didn’t think she would adjust well to being indoor-only with us, but she was an angel.

About a two months ago I noticed a bloody puddle of urine on the basement floor, about a foot and a half from the litter box. A quick survey of the house revealed obvious pee spots on the cat beds and cushions and around another litter box on the second story. Based on age, her prior medical history, and other symptoms (suddenly the obsessive licking of her abdomen and inner thighs made sense!), I guessed it was Georgette and got her into the vet at the next available appointment, terrified she was going to die of a urinary blockage in the day I had to wait. I was correct in my guess - she had crystals in her urine. A switch to prescription food greatly reduced the crystals and eliminated the incontinent dripping on beds and cushions. She still doesn’t drink nearly enough water, so I’ve taken to mooshing water into her food and we got a cat fountain.

We had a good month or so thinking the problem was entirely solved, but then we started finding puddles right next to Georgette’s preferred litter box (the one on the second floor.) She’s still on the food, and we did another urine test that showed the crystals were still much reduced. I experimented with different styles of litterbox in that location, but when the problem continued I decided not to risk continued puddles on the hardwood floor and cleaned that room, removed the box, and shut the door, blocking all cat access.

We had two more litter boxes already in the house, so to make up for removing that one I added one more box to the rooms that already had them, bringing us up to four - two in the basement and two in our computer room. The basement floor is tile and the computer room is carpet. I’ve always had plastic carpet runner under all the boxes, and I added puppy pads for good measure. Georgette spent a night isolated in the computer room so she would have to use a box other than her preferred one, which she did successfully. This was about two weeks ago, and we have never had any accidents in that room at any time. Even Thursday and Friday, when we had work being done on the house and all four cats stayed in that room all day while the workers came and went. The boxes were foul, but no accidents!

The main problem has now moved to the basement box(es). Someone is peeing right next to the boxes (as in, the puddle is so close that the cat had to be right up against the side of the box), which are right next to each other (BTW, I use big rubbermaid totes as boxes.) It’s not an everyday occurrence, and I’ve witnessed each cat recently peeing in a box, so I know they are all capable of appropriate elimination, but I haven’t caught the problem child in the act. I’m less concerned about the basement floor being permanently damaged than I was the hardwood; it’s old-school vinyl tile, with carpet runner and puppy pads between the floor in the box. I clean accidents on the tile and plastic with Nature’s Miracle, and its easy to switch out the pads - but I’d rather not have to do all this.

Do I assume the problem pee-er is Georgette, who got into bad habits and associations while she was sick? Do I try to discover if one of the others has developed urinary problems (the others drink much more readily than Georgette, and they started getting wet food too when Georgette got sick in order to prevent them from developing problems too)?

I’ve considered that someone may have developed a hard surface preference, since there has never been an accident around the carpeted box, only wood and tile. I may get a cheap throw rug to put under the basement boxes. I’m also planning to isolate each cat for a few days at a time to see if I can positively identify the culprit. I know Georgette has urinary issues. And as soon as I cleaned up today’s mess (which I know happened within a two hour span - no pee the first time I went in the basement this morning, pee two hours later), one of the others jumped in the box and peed a nice healthy stream, so I’m thinking he’s innocent. I have two males and two females, all fixed.

I’m looking for suggestions and advice I haven’t considered. I’m willing to haul them all into the vet, but I’d like to save myself the hassle by identifying the culprit. And if it’s behavioral and not medical, I’ll try whatever I can to fix it. I’m frustrated by the constant clean-up but I’m not angry - whichever kitty it is just needs help. I can’t hold it against them if they are sick or stressed.

Do you have some sort of camera or video camera that you can set up near where one of the cats pees on the floor, so you can at least figure out which cat it is?

Have you thought of using different litter? Maybe Georgette got a bad association with the box/litter when she was having pain from the crystals. Putting a different kind of litter in the box that gets peed outside-of might offer her a place that smells or feels different from the one that “hurt” her.

There is a ton of information online about this and I’m too lazy to look up links right now but you can - canned (or raw) food is best for cats and dry food is teh evil. Rationale is: domestic cats are descended from desert-dwelling felidae and many have a very low thirst drive. Also, being obligate carnivores designed to exist on meat, bones and organs only, feeding them a cereal-based dry diet runs counter to their basic biology, leaves them chronically dehydrated and thus leads to urinary and kidney problems as well as shortened lives.

So you could try going to canned-only, or raw, or cooked (but you MUST add taurine if feeding cooked diets to cats since it’s an essential amino acid) diet for a couple of weeks and see if that makes a difference.

But to your main question - identifying the problem pee-er - a video camera is a sensible option and not that expensive. Or isolate the cats temporarily in different rooms, perhaps?

Do the computers have cameras? Can you set up “operation catch kitty” that way? It sounds like you already have boxes in the computer room, so that might the easiest.

Also is it happening when the boxes are clean? Or dirty? You may just have a finicky cat in Ms Georgette. She knows where she should go, but something about it just ain’t right in her opinion - too dirty, wrong litter, too dark, dogs too close, printer going… Camera might help figure out what it is. I have a kitty that pees inside my arm chair when I run the vacuum. (She wins - it’s her chair now)

Is it possible to give each cat their own room or area for a day, with their own box, to see which one might be doing it? Then you’d know for certain.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I’m going to isolate the cats and figure out who’s doing what. It’s not a daily problem, but since the incidents do seem to occur around the same time, I’m gonna do some in-person spying too.

I’m just confused because a lot of my googling and talking to other cat owners brings up cats that pee somewhere far removed from the litter box. This is happening as close to the box as you can get without going inside, close enough that the pee tends to seep under the box. So I know that whoever it is is trying very hard to be a good cat! So a lot of the solutions, such as moving a box to the cat’s preferred spot, just aren’t going to work. At least the mess is somewhat contained. I scoop thoroughly every evening, and I’ve used the same type of litter for as long as I’ve had these cats, but I understand that preferences can change.

Maybe I’ll try a nightlight in the basement at night - the computer room tends to stay light enough even at night because the windows face the street lights and the neighbor’s solar lights. The basement is pitch dark.

Someone may be getting older and the jump may be more than they want to attempt.
Try putting out a lower tray… I like the camera idea… How old are the cats?

I tried a lower tray already thinking that would be the problem. Georgette is ten at least and could be older - she originally showed up at my in-laws as a pregnant stray when my husband was in high school. The other cats are quite a bit younger. Cobweb is six, Romeo is five, and Titus is about three.

We, too, use the totes as litter boxes. One of the girls decided she didn’t want to put her feet in the litter and would balance on the edge of the box. Sometimes, she’d get turned wrong and pee just outside the box.
Do any of your kitties “hover”?

I have a hoverer. She always balances on the same edge so her pee is right up against the side of the box. I don’t know how she does it without tipping the whole thing up. What a mess that would make! We’ve been lucky so far that she doesn’t miss. But when she poops she sometimes pushes it out of the box with her paw as she’s “covering” up her mess, along with a half cup of litter on the floor. Yeah, good girl!

I wonder if your cat might be doing what one of ours is doing. Our littlest cat, as I have observed twice now myself, will sometimes get into the litter box, turn herself around a few times, and end up oriented in such a way that her butt is right next to the side of the box. Her pee then shoots right over the edge of the box and lands on the floor next to it.

Just a guess, but this might be what’s happening with your cat. Like you, all the references or discussions I can find about cats missing the litter box relate to the cat deliberately avoiding it for some reason. In this case, the cat is in fact using the litter box, she just has rotten aim once she gets in there.

I haven’t quite figured out how to fix this yet, so I don’t have any specific advice to offer you. But your description of pee right along the side of the litter box sounded so much like what we’re seeing that it made me wonder. If that does turn out to be the case, at least you’d know that your cat isn’t afraid of the litter box or the specific litter.

Since I use totes as litterboxes, without any part of the side cut down, I’m not sure this could be it. The sides are tall enough to block the urine stream from the littlest cat and biggest cat.

Georgette spent over 24 hrs. isolated in the computer room. She peed in the box appropriately and nobody else peed next to the basement boxes. So I don’t know. I wish I could put Georgette in the basement alone to test that situation but unfortunately there is no basement door.

I am going to start scooping twice daily instead of once and I put a towel down under the basement boxes in case its a hard surface preference. Never once have I found pee on carpet.

Pee next to the basement boxes again today. I was able to see the wet mark still on the side of the box, about a third of the way up. So someone is backing up to the box and barely squatting.

Since Georgette (and the others) all use the boxes in the computer room appropriately when shut in there, the problem has got to be whatever is different about the basement boxes, but also something that was shared with the second story box before I removed it. The second story box was Georgette’s preferred box since she spent time in that room in quarantine several times (she had worms when we brought her home, and when she had the urinary problems she was super stressed out so the vet had us feed her in a place where the other cats couldn’t get to her food - we still feed her separately). But the others would use it too.

What those boxes had in common:

  1. Georgette peed on the floor close to them when she was sick
  2. Surrounding floor is hard surface, not carpet

I tried different sizes of boxes and the problem continued. I use the same litter in all boxes, even the computer room ones that never have problems. I’m wondering if those locations have just become preferred pee spots, even though I cleaned thoroughly with nature’s miracle.

I am trying a box in a different location in the basement. This one is across the room from the trouble spot, and on the area rug instead of the tile. So we shall see. By the way, I know some cats have problems with the basement because of the furnace/water heater/washer/dryer noise - our basement is divided into two separate rooms - the litter boxes are in the finished living room part and I keep the door shut so they can’t get into the utility part at all.

I’m just incredibly grateful that the problem is at least limited to the litter box areas and i don’t have to dread finding spots all over the house. Cleanup is just a matter of putting down a new puppy pad, and I had a whole box left over from when we got the dog so I’m not even out any money.

Oh and since all cat thread need pictures:

Georgette
Cobweb
Romeo
Titus

Nice pictures :slight_smile: I love Cobweb’s markings, and what a cute name for a cat!

Moving from MPSIMS to the advice-offering catbox that is IMHO.

Aha! I’m 95% sure Georgette is indeed the culprit. Another spot appeared in the last half hour and the rest were asleep in the living room. The box was freshly scooped and she pooped inside but peed next to it. What now?

Well, I have put a box with litter inside a bigger, empty box. I did it to contain litter spread, but maybe it would help with this too?

I love my cats, but they have their moments.

What you might have going on is spraying - territorial marking - since the urine is on the side of the tote. That is a different matter altogether than squatting. Also, peeing outside the box may now be behavioral with kitty, or maybe she is still experiencing some pain. You could try using Cat Attract litter to see if that helps encourage her to get into the boxes.

Given that you use totes, one other thing you may wish to try is cutting a door in one end of the tote to see if that makes a difference to her. I also use totes because I have wobbly cats who need the tall walls but would never be able to jump into the boxes.

Do any if the cats ounce in kitty as she exits the box? That will cause them to urinate outside of it.

This is a very frustrating problem I have dealt with on occasion and I commend you for being so accommodating and diligent in figuring this out!!

Well, we went from my last post on Monday until about a hour ago with no problems :frowning:

I moved the litterboxes to different corners of the basement. Scooped all boxes when I got up this morning, so they were freshly cleaned. Ran an errand, came back and there was pee in the corner that USED to have the box. So it looks like that spot has just become a preference? I’ve cleaned it with Nature’s Miracle, but is there anything else I can do to remove the smell/association or block it off? Unfortunately that corner is at the foot of the basement stairs so I’m limited in what I can do to block off the area - no basement door and the cats still need access to the other litter boxes down there.

Considering putting a litter box back in that location - maybe a big, shallow but wide, under the bed sweater storage box.