Ask honest questions, get honest answers. Ask loaded questions, get no answers.
And they were not trying get Priests to stop raping kids.
I know it’s a late response, but you left the door wide open.
I guess I might as well move this along by asking where you think this happened. “Flat-out accused,” no less.
It’s only “loaded” because you, he, and I all know what the answer is and how that will make him look.
Let’s get Cardinal Law’s take on this.
Lots of Priest and Bishops knew. Again, a point of fact. Law new for at least 15 years and did not help the children, his fellow Catholics, but chose to help the rapists. Not once, not twice, not thrice…
It was because he cared about the Church image and gave fuck all about the kids he was serving up. As did all the Priests who knew about it and kept quiet. Many of whom are still part of the hierarchy,
From their actions, we can see they care NOT ABOUT ABORTION, but a political position on abortion, and they do not care at all about their employees raping kids.
You disagree? Help me out then. Show me that they gave a fuck. This will be admittedly difficult, as most mea culpas are about PR and not abolut expressing actual feelings.
Lest anyone think that my ire is solely directed at Catholics, it is not. The Southern Baptists can suck my ass as well.
I thought for sure that this thread would mention that the top administrator of the group hoping to deny Biden communion has resigned because it was revealed he is active on Grindr.
It did. It was discussed.
Sorry, missed it.
Things are moving fast here.
I thought the drop then was from the LDS church starting their own “scoutish” group, not from any sex scandal. The Mormons were one of the largest religious backers of BSA, and the biggest reason for many of the conservative positions nationally.
And, BTW, the biggest reason that the BSA had to declare bankruptcy was because they made no effort whatsoever to track accusations. Predators were often quietly removed from local packs / troops / crews with no repercussions; they could (and did) join other packs / troops / crews to abuse again.
What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?
By the time you could “convict” 10% or 20% or 70% of Catholic priests of abuse, there would be such schisms in the church that the “true believers” would have numerous “Catholic Churches” to chose from. You are showing your hatred of organized religion by bringing up such absurd extreme hypotheticals. You aren’t winning the argument with Saintly_Loser with your “gotcha” hypothetical; you’re showing your own biases.
A couple of interesting takes on this incident from the Catholic press (note – not from any official publications of the Catholic church or any diocese or order):
Yeah, sometimes everyone involved in a situation is an asshole. I assume any religious leader trying to blackmail a politician by denying him access to religious rites is a hypocritical douche. I assume anyone who has taken a lifelong vow of celibacy and says certain aspects of sexuality are mortal sins is way in denial and violating his tenets frequently and with great relish. I didn’t need an article to let me know they were self-loathing hypocrites.
Having read this thread cursorily (because I already know what people will say), I am totally with Saintly Loser here.
And I can say, with a fair amount of certainty, that the reason Catholics keep attending Mass at their parish is because they LIKE IT THERE. That is where their friends, their faith family is, they trust THEIR pastor, they like worshiping there. All that shit that Catholicism-hostile/ignorant people are posting here is not reality to most Catholics. The greater Catholic church and its problems are troubling, shocking, depressing, to most Catholics, and some definitely leave because of it. And many stay despite it, not because they believe their souls are in danger if they leave, but because it is their home.
As did the parents of the kids that were raped. It was a tool in the pedophile toolkit.
Yes. But that is true of most pedophiles everywhere, and has nothing to do with why Catholics stay in their parishes.
If most Catholics lived in anything resembling reality as it pertains to the extent of sexual abuse, then there wouldn’t be a single church left standing in the face of 1.3 billion people worldwide responding to what’s gone on. The whole reason we’re having this discussion is because there is clearly nothing that can happen, of any nature or scope, that will get people like SL to stop insisting that the problem is somewhere else, someone else, someone they don’t know, and that everyone they’ve ever met on Sunday is just being smeared unfairly. Every parent of every victim thought the same way until they didn’t, and the fact that people are still willing to live in anything but reality is why the victims keep getting served up.
Mormon troops were about 20% of BSA. If you take the Mormons out of the equation then 29% of non-Mormon scouts who were enrolled in 2019 left by the end of 2020. It’s a huge drop and it doesn’t even account for the people who won’t enroll at the Cub Scout level when their families would have considered doing so 10-20 years ago.
And, BTW, the biggest reason that the BSA had to declare bankruptcy was because they made no effort whatsoever to track accusations. Predators were often quietly removed from local packs / troops / crews with no repercussions; they could (and did) join other packs / troops / crews to abuse again.
Sounds familiar.
By the time you could “convict” 10% or 20% or 70% of Catholic priests of abuse, there would be such schisms in the church that the “true believers” would have numerous “Catholic Churches” to chose from.
I doubt it. Again, the problem in the Church was well-known in the 2000s, the fact that all of the subsequent revelations have made no impact on the decision to be a member, leave children with priests etc is strong evidence that there is nothing that will change the minds of the attendees.
You are showing your hatred of organized religion by bringing up such absurd extreme hypotheticals. You aren’t winning the argument with Saintly_Loser with your “gotcha” hypothetical; you’re showing your own biases.
If only people who like Catholicism are allowed to criticize Catholicism then we’re in for a short thread. Fortunately that is not the rule.
Are you arguing that no parent should ever trust anyone, ever, anywhere? Because trusted people from every walk of life have turned out to be pedophiles.
How many of those non-priest pedophiles have massive support groups that will cover up misdeeds and/or find them new jobs in the same field?