Celebrities who openly loathe each other

[tim-n-va]

@Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor

Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) and either her father, singer Eddie Fisher, or the late Elizabeth Taylor.

Eddie left Carrie and her mother to console Elizabeth when one of her husbands died.
According to Carrie, Eddie consoled Liz with his penis.

Like you do…

[Baal_Houtham]

@jsc1953

Music and comedy are apples and oranges. There’s a long and honored history of covering songs, and royalties are paid so everything’s legal and above-board.

@bup

Call me butthurt, then. I challenge your assertion that the vast majority of people don’t give a fuck - a comedian’s material is his or her livelihood, and pride.

I agree. There’s going to be gradual diffusion of themes and punchlines, but blatant theft of material is sleazy.

[Boyo_Jim]

@Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor

Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) and either her father, singer Eddie Fisher, or the late Elizabeth Taylor.

Eddie left Carrie and her mother to console Elizabeth when one of her husbands died.
According to Carrie, Eddie consoled Liz with his penis.

She put a very funny little but about that into her act, which I can only paraphrase:

When Michael Todd died, my father raced to her side to console her. It wasn’t long before he worked himself around to her front.

[Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor]

@tim-n-va

Like you do…

Ummm…no.

Liz Taylor is dead.

Really, really dead.

And I don’t swing that way.

[Love_Rhombus]

@Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor

Ummm…no.

Liz Taylor is dead.

Really, really dead.

And I don’t swing that way.

He didn’t mean you, specifically. He meant that “consoling” someone by sleeping with them falls well within the “classy guy” handbook that Eddie was obviously following.

[Greekfreak]

@TreacherousCretin

Is that beside my quote, or instead of it? Have I misremembered the Thom McAn reference from somewhere else? Enquiring minds gots ta know. Thank you for your cooperation.

Same section of the same interview. You can find it online easily enough, and it’s worth re-reading.

Somewhere down the line they cut the length of the Playboy interviews down by about 1/2 and you can tell where they’re edited. Pity.

[Greekfreak]

@Baal_Houtham

I agree. There’s going to be gradual diffusion of themes and punchlines, but blatant theft of material is sleazy.

This is the point–Krokodil doesn’t seem to understand the meaning of the word “stolen”. i.e. taking someone else’s property, or intellectual property in this case.

[TreacherousCretin]

@Greekfreak

Same section of the same interview. You can find it online easily enough, and it’s worth re-reading.

Somewhere down the line they cut the length of the Playboy interviews down by about 1/2 and you can tell where they’re edited. Pity.

Got it. Thanks. I was afraid I had garbled and blended different memories.

[ushimitsudoki]

@Kobal2

That ain’t quite right. Trent Reznor admitted that Johnny Cash’s version of *Hurt *was better than his, and subsequently gave him all the rights to that song. It is, now and for all intents and purposes, a Johnny Cash song that NIN happened to perform first. There’s mutual respect going on. That’s cool.

Leary not only stole Hicks jokes without asking (or being given assent), he told them worse. Sanitized all that was truly funny and thought-provoking in that show, the better to make ratings & money. That’s shitty. Most professional comedians who knew Bill Hicks agree that it’s a travesty. Leary won’t ever get respect - not from his peers, and not from me.

See the distinction ?

Yes I do, and always have, and I think we are talking past one another.

I’m not advocating or excusing stealing material, I’m just saying that whoever does it “best” (define as: however you like), “owns” the material (defined as: they are associated with it).

I’m not talking about legal ownership, nor the morality of plagiarizing any percentage of material.

It’s like this for almost any artistic endeavor, it’s just a bit trickier to pull off smoothly in comedy, mainly because (in my theory) comedians are much better at verbally drawing attention to “joke plagiarists”, whereas “music plagiarists”/“magician plagiarists”/“acting plagiarists” or other “style and content plagiarists” are harder to shame – or even socially acceptable.

As someone who likes to pretend to be a musician, I think musical artists that rip-off other musical acts are every bit as scummy as “joke plagiarists” – Bush is as guilty as stealing material from Nirvana as Leary is of stealing material from Hicks in my eyes – but I also realize that, for a variety of reasons, most of society doesn’t agree and/or care. (Most of society doesn’t care about stealing jokes either, unless another comedian can make a persuasive vocal case ala Joe Rogan).

Furthermore, I think by using the phrase “sad truth” Krokadil was acknowledging this state of affairs, and not praising or excusing it.

Anyway, we are now way off topic and I hope I made my point better. If you disagree and think it’s worth discussing, I would be glad to join you in another thread to do so.

[Annie-Xmas]

While Harper Lee and Truman Capote were best friends as children, she was outraged when he failed to acknowledge her work on In Cold Blood. She had nothing to do with him after that.

[Boyo_Jim]

@Annie-Xmas

While Harper Lee and Truman Capote were best friends as children, she was outraged when he failed to acknowledge her work on In Cold Blood. She had nothing to do with him after that.

I heard a whole different story. When HER book was published to considerably more acclaim than his, he was so jealous of her that he started bad mouthing her and the relationship broke down.