Censorship is the enemy of democracy and censors are evil because of it

Censorship is an anathema to a democracy and an evil in and of itself, albeit a necessary evil in a few rare instances.

In saying this, I am not debating what Constitutional rights to information Americans may have, this is strictly a matter of morality and the logical necessities of a democracy. I would argue that free flow of information about all subjects is necessary to a democracy, whether or not it’s in the Constitution is a moot point.

I’ll start by defining censorship as one group of adults deciding what information another group of adults may have access to, by governmental fiat.

Note that I am specifying adults. I am sympathetic to parents who don’t want their kids seeing “Cum Guzzling Butt Girls” on broadcast TV, so long as protecting the kiddies from smut doesn’t also prevent adults from enjoying it if they are so inclined (which was historically the case for many years).

Note also that I am specifying “by government fiat.” An individual or corporation may be in possession of personal and/or proprietary information (like the formula for Coca-Cola) and keep it secret, but they don’t have the power to compel all others to keep their similar information secret. That’s a government thing.

The reason censorship is so dangerous to democracy has little to do with sex, it’s that it runs counter to the democratic process by nature. After all, in a democracy it is the citizens who ultimately rule, if only by electing the ones who make the rules, based on their understanding of their rulers’ performance.

In order to understand their ruler’s performance on the issues, they have to have acess to the most accurate, unbiased information they can get, or at the very least, information that reflects a variety of biases. it’s the duty of every citizen to bring the most skeptical intelligence they can to the acts and pronoucements of our rulers (a duty that many have clearly shirked in recent years). For that reason, we have to have the best information possible.

Censorship attempts to abridge that process. And wherever the potential for censorship exists, those in power will almost instinctively seek to use it for their own political gain. We need look no farther than the present Administration. They refuse to allow the press to photograph the coffins of servicemen killed in Iraq arriving in the US. They say it is to protect the privacy of the servicemen who died and their families but of course this is arrant nonsense. An external shot of a coffin violates no one’s privacy. They use this bit of censorship because they remember well the role that the coverage of all the flag-draped coffins returning from Vietnam had on the American public in that conflict.

The Bush administration seeks to censor these images for political reasons, pure and simple. They don’t want Americans to fully understand the cost of the war in terms of human life. They fear that such understanding on the part of the American public would run counter to their interests, so they censor the information that would help lead to it.

What would-be censors of all stripes understand is that if you can control what information people have, you can control what they think, and if they can control what they think, you control them much more profoundly than you could in any other way. Elections are a mere formality when you control what people know, because on what basis can they cast a vote, other than on what they know?

Censors are therefore profoundly undemocratic, in fact, their very nature is antithetical to democracy. They are the fascists and would-be dictators on the home front who have always sought to undermine freedom of speech even as American soldiers spilled their blood to preserve it on countless battlefields. They are traitors to the core principles of democracy. Insofar as anything can be innately evil, censorship is innately evil with regard to democracy.

Censorship often crops up in relation to sexual matters because sexual matters are the opening that lets the camel get its nose in the tent. Americans typically are more willing to see sexual issues censored than any other kind of issue, largely because the American religious establishment has long advocated and supported this kind of censorship. As a result, a government that wishes to censor generally will often start out by censoring sexual matters specifically, then either expand the scope of censorship, or expand “obscenity” to include materials that non-censors would have trouble understanding as censorship.

Thus, in the early part of the 20th Century, the US government censored, not just images of naked women, but birth control information – in fact, one early feminist who deliberately violated the ban on birth control information killed herself, rather than go to jail for her “crime.” (The censor who persecuted her, one Anthony Comstock, was a certifiably evil man, who gleefully noted that he had driven 15 other people to suicide.) And thus, the Soviet Union condemned Solzhenitsyn’s work on grounds that it was obscene. And the Hayes Code of self-censorship of US films (instituted only to fend off growing calls for Congressional censorship from an “aroused” public led primarily by the Legion of Decency because of the “shocking” sexual content in films) not only censored nudity, but also scenes where bad triumphs over good and where authority figures are mocked.

More recent attempts at censorship like the Communications Decency Act failed to pass muster because they were found to be unconstitutional.

Now we face new challenges, like Section 2257 which was passed under pretext that it was needed to defeat a nonexistent child porn web presence in the US; and an FBI unit dedicated to attacking, not child porn, but consensual adult materials aimed adults (no kids or animals involved). In order to establish this program, FBI agents have been pulled from more pressing programs like protecting the US against terrorists, causing much anguish from law enforcement types who would like to pursue actual criminals.

It is an old and familiar paradigm. They hope that by starting off with attacks on sexual imagery that most people don’t care for, they can eventually attack sexual imagery generally, and finally spread to other things … all the wrong thoughts and ideas that were once covered by the Hayes Code, for instance.

In the United States, the mainstream has an unfortunate tendency to assume that censors and their supporters are acting from moral impulses, and that those who oppose censorship champion morality. I would argue that exactly the opposite is the case. Most often, censors are acting on what they think are good impulses, but are invariably evil impulses. After all, on what basis does one citizen of a democracy seek to control what other citizens can know, other than to aggrandize their power within that democracy? Whether the topic is sexual, moral, behavioral, political or philosophical, if democracy means anything, all citizens should be able to express themselves on that topic, so long as such expression doesn’t actively harm another.

So don’t ask who the target of this censorship is. It is, ultimately, you. Don’t ask what areas the censors propose to control – they propose to control everything. Most especially, they wish to establish the idea that it is all right to jail Americans for publishing the wrong sorts of thoughts, ideas and images, even when those images are created in a completely consensual way and violate no laws other than censorship laws in their creation.

Let your senators and representatives know they are treading on dangerous ground, now. Because if you don’t, eventuallyYOU will be treading on dangerous ground when you object to things they propose to censor. After all, they will ask, what business is it of yours to know these very evil things, citizen?

Is this a witnessing thread? :slight_smile:

Not much to disagree with in your OP. I’m not sure you’ll find many taking an opposing viewpoint on this board…

It’s the most cogent thing I could come up with about censorship, inspired by threads relating to Section 2257 and the FBI obscenity squad. Rather than go at them piecemeal, I thought I’d put all my arguments in one basket. You’re right, opposition may not materialize, in which case the thread will die a quiet death, but will be handy to reference should someone bring up inaccurate stuff.

BTW, I was amazed at how storng opposition to the FBI obscenity squad was in the law enforcement community. I think the Bush Admin. may have overplayed their hand on this one.

I don’t recall anyone expressing similar sentiments when there was lots of talk about banning any footage that Aljazeera chose to show.

I don’t remember a lot of talk about banning Aljazeera’s stuff. Certainly there is no ban now. I was on their site just the other day.

I was not so surprised. I can easily imagine the local cops or the FBI, with plenty of real crimes to investigate, wondering why they would be redirected to enforce some nonexistent or poorly defined “rule” when there are real bad guys out there. First you would have to define obsenity, in a way that would stick in court. Then you would have to go after them, while cases involving murder, robbery, gangs, terror etc sit idle. Or maybe, they just know the difference between true law enforcement and political pandering to a vocal “religious” nanny minority.

I agree with the OP pretty much. In fact, I just finished reading a fascinating book, “Not in front of the children,” by Marjorie Heins, Pub: Hill and Wang (!).

Its major premise is that the idea that “exposure to certain material to those under some age will irrevocably and irreparably injure them” is a long ways from a proven fact. Child protection may be slightly off the topic here, but the author traces censorship of all kinds – not just for minors – in many countries over time. That in itself is worth the price of the book.

And the excesses of the censors can reach ludicrous proportions, like the Nashua, NH school which removed, in 1978, a Ms. magazine from the High School library since it had “ads for…contraceptives, vibrators” and – best of all – “recordings by ‘known communist folk singers’.”

Madam Frout: “Are you introducing young children to the occult?”
Susan: “Oh yes.”
Madam Frout: “What? Why?”
Susan: “So that it doesn’t come as a shock.”
–Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time

As for the OP, I don’t have anything to say against it, though I’m sure you can find some Dopers who will. We’ve already got some folks who insist that grisly pictures of Iraqi casualties should be censored for fear of “inflaimg the enemy”…

While I generally agree that censorship is not that great, I disagree about photographing the dead. If anyone wishes to do that, they should ask the family. I don’t feel the government can morally allow anyone to take pictures of the dead, and ought not to invite any such thing.

C’mon, smiling bandit. Caskets? I can see maybe not allowing photographers to photograph the corpses themsleves, but the boxes they are resting in? Forbidding people to photograph caskets is just frickin’ ridiculous and it’s just a cheap propaganda ploy. I don’t see how any reasonable person could maintain otherwise.

If it’s ok to photograph the caskets, why isn’t it ok to also photograph the corpses?

Just to stir the pot on this thread, let me offer a few thoughts on the practical aspects of censorship.

In dealing with limited communication resources, there is invariably a practical censorship. It is illegal, for example, to operate an unlicensed FM-band transmitter. Ostensibly this is because there is a net harm to the pirate broadcaster’s community (e.g. unable to receive other FM broadcasts). But there is also the notion that, by allowing one illegal transmitter (and hence the message it sends), you have to allow all illegal transmitters, and the ensuing cacophany would render the entire FM band useless. In short, limited communication resources make it necessary for someone to endorse one message over another. Choosing the right message is equivalent to banning the wrong message, and today we have decided that government is better at choosing than other social forces (e.g. business). Thus we must have some level of government censorship.

The contrary argument is that the message itself isn’t being banned, only the means of transmitting it; the pirate broadcaster can alternatively host a website or publish a newspaper. True, but the pirate broadcaster’s first (and presumably most accomodating) choice–the public airways–have been denied him; does any government barrier to free expression, then, constitute censorship? Suppose the U.S. government passed a law requiring all published political discourse be written in English. Without being specific, this would effectively censor the opinions of poor Hispanics, and I think most people would find such a law was indeed censoring the opnions of the Spanish-speaking population. Do laws regulating limited communication resources like the airwaves have the same effect?

Uh-huh.

Given that there have been all sorts of rules and busy censors over the breadth of American history,

Given that “pornography”, however one defines it, has been the subject of innumerable crackdowns through the years, but explicit words and images have become more and more universally available from a wide range of media,

Why has the OP concluded that this latest, probably politically inspired effort is going to have any real impact, and

Why has this generated the Mother-Of-All-Slippery-Slope-1984-Is-Here-I’m-Fixing-To-Die screeds?

Is there any reason why this couldn’t just have been a thread about a dumb government initiative that is doomed to failure and a waste of resources? Are the anti-Bushies so flummoxed now that everything he does is tantamount to Gotterdammerung?

What a great way to ensure not being taken seriously.

Divvying up the limited pool of available broadcast bandwidth doesn’t constitute censorship unless you establish as a condition that you will not engage in this or that kind of speech. Note that the FCC has historically done exactly that, forbidding certain words and images on the grounds that if you are going to access the public airways, you must abide by certain rules. I don’t care for that argument.

You are saying that pirate broadcasters have a certain viewpoint that licensed broadcasters do not on political issues, etc.? So far as I know, they just want to get in on the airways. I agree that the FCC tends to favor the wealthy and conservative over the poor and liberal, but the success of Air America to date indicates they have no brief against the wealthy and liberal.

True, and it’s a situation I deplore. What part of “make no law abridging the freedom of speech” don’t legislators understand?

Historically that is true, but the success of the Hayes Code from the 30s through the 60s and the comics code from the 50s to the 70s shows that you can “turn back the clock” through censorship, perhaps not forever, but at least for a generation. Or two.

Gonzalez has formed up an FBI unit and told them to make cases. Their chances of succeeding are greater right now than they have ever been before. Even if Roberts and Miers are “moderates” by current standards, they are conservatives by the standards that have long held sway on the courts. The right has succeeded in packing the federal judiciary with conservatives over the last decade or two. The Supreme Court has long been a bulwark against censorship, but I think only a real pollyanna would expect protection from it now. So decent people who like sex and sexual themes might well wind up in prison to satisfy the sick needs of censors. That’s an impact. And if you don’t think it will have an impact on those who remain free, you aren’t thinking.

Is the slope all that slippery, the next point on it all that far away? Already, the federal government has silenced doctors’ right to free speech on topics like abortion if their clinics or hospitals accept federal money. Do you think the right wouldn’t forbid discussion of abortion meds if they had the power to do so? They’d do it in a heartbeat. Remember when we invaded Iraq and there were many cries from the right that speaking out against the war was traitorous because it encouraged the enemy? I do.

I wanted to establish the basic principle that censorship is inimical to democracy. Within that framework, all censorship initiatives are easier to see as they are. I agree with you that the FBI thing is dumb and a waste of resources when we have a lot of wealthy people over in the middle east who would like to kill us en masse. But I am not so sanguine about its chances of failure. As I have noted, the current federal courts may not be so strongly opposed to freedom of speech as have courts in the past.

Logically, it should be, but I’m not all that eager to have some family see the blown up remains of their child/brother/sister/etc. on national TV. It can be argued that if the government is willing to put young people in situations where they will be blown up, it should have to allow the results of that carnage to be seen by the public that is supporting it. Perhaps requiring a warning about graphic images of carnage would do the trick. Overall, just showing the caskets works for me.

Well, there’s no question that if you show the corpses of the dead, it will upset people, but that’s the argument for most censorship. If you show the coffins, it’ll upset people, too. If you show graphic sexual acts on TV, that’ll definately upset people.

Showing pictures of a dead soldiers body would upset the family of that soldier, and I for one wouldn’t blame them. Showing pictures of coffins doesn’t identify any specific soldiers - it simply demonstrates in a graphic way just how many of our soldiers are dying in this misguided “war”. (I’m still waiting for someone to tell me just what we are involved in, since Congress has never declared war on Iraq).

As far as showing “graphic sexual acts” I can understand why parents wouldn’t want their children exposed to that kind of image. I can’t understand why the same parents don’t mind their children exposed to images of people being shot, run over, blown up, etc. I don’t understand why sex is “dirty” but violence is ok.

Your wait is over.

This Wiki page briefly explains the history of the declarations of war made by the United States, and lists the different physical conflicts in which the U.S. has been involved, as well as which of these included a formal declaration of war. The neutrality of the Wiki entry has been questioned, but I think it does a decent job of laying out the thinking of both sides of the argument. Basically, there have been many wars fought without a formal declaration. This is just another one of those wars.

As for the OP, I agree that censorship is (in most instances) wrong, but that it is a necessary evil in some cases. However, I disagree with Evil Captor’s contention that preventing the photographing of caskets is a cheap propaganda ploy. Quite the opposite, I believe that the act of photographing caskets is itself a cheap propaganda ploy, as well as tacky and ghoulish.

So you make no distinction between an image of the exterior of a coffin, and an image of a mutilated body. Amazing, indeed. You are clearly pschologically constituted very different from me, and I suspect, most people.

BTW, I didn’t advocate censoring the images of war’s carnage outright, but simply putting up a warning so parents and family would know not to look. Also, setting it up so small children will not be given nightmares works for me too.

What would your solution be?