Chappelle talks: Why I walked away.

But you appear to be letting the validity of the second statement (with which I somewhat agree) turn the whole issue into a black and white one (pun intended) in which you simply dismiss the reality of the racism.

Consider the statistics of young black men in jail. An awful lot of them are there because crimes and convictions tend to show up most among the poorest groups in crowded situations in society. I agree that there is no specific racism in that situation (other than that the racist actions of previous generations created the a fair amount of that poverty). However, when we consider that the huge numbers of people incarcerated over the last 20 years are in for drug related crimes (including possession as well as selling) and that we have the testimony of Federal law enforcement personnel that they devote most of their energies toward the inner city, a different picture emerges of why their numbers are as high as they are.

You have also focused nearly all your attention of the poorest groups of urban blacks, but racism has an effect on the middle class, as well.

Finally, you seem to rely pretty heavily on anecdotal personal experience. I too have seen poor performing workers attempt to play the race card. There is no question that that happens. However, I have also seen racism used to keep blacks out of certain housing or put a ceiling on their careers–the apartment I rented in a mixed neighborhood where I discovered everyone in my building was white and where the landlord asked me as I moved out if I knew any white people who were looking for housing, the multiple employers of a person I know in HR who have continually asked her to find ways to let them circumvent the equal opportunity rules that she was hired to enforce, the hiring of the least qualified black by managers who were under pressure to recruit outside the “white male” box so that they could point at the hired person as an example of why hiring blacks was a bad idea.

I am in favor of black leaders getting in the faces of students and telling them that the phrase “acting white” is about the stupidest phrase in their vocabulary. I am in favor of simply dismissing charges of racism when the employee is obviously incompetent or unmotivated. I am in favor of someone (preferably in the black community) telling Jackson and Sharpton to sit down and shut up when they loudly defend black kids who have been caught (on tape!) in criminal acts.

I am not in favor of using that sort of event as an excuse to simply say it’s all their fault; let them figure it out or to declare the battle for civil rights to be “won” when I have seen ample evidence that there is still active discrimination continuing in this country.

The black mayor of New Orleans was an idiot for not taking seriously the suggestions that he needed to evacuate his people and then whining on (inter)national TV that his people had been betrayed.
But it was the white police chief in the next city that physically prevented black people from leaving the city after it flooded, then ordered his troops to scatter the people and destroy their possessions.
We had seven days of loud proclamations that (black) people trapped at the Superdome were rioting and raping and murdering each other and only a couple of months-later footnotes that none of that actually happened.
Racism does continue to play a role in our society. We will never get everyone to love one another, but we can work a lot harder to remove barriers to advancement and to treat people more equally.

Jeez. I thought this was a pretty straightforward question: Integrity, or flipped wig? Shows what I know…

Sometimes, when someone has a major personal epiphany that leads to an act of integrity, people don’t understand. They haven’t had this revelation, and they can only see the situation from their POV. Thus, it looks like a flipped wig, esp. when lots of money is involved and people can only think, “I would LOVE to have that money and he’s walking away from it, thus he must be nuts.”

I still say Chappelle showed extraordinary integrity for walking away from that money and from actions and words that he thinks are wrong. The insistence that he’s nuts reveals more about the person making the diagnosis than it does about Chappelle.

Well, it may show that we’re pretty used to our celebrities being nuts, e.g. “Charliemurphay! Darkness is falling! I’m Rick James, biotch!”

Blacks had more tightly-knit communities and more two-parent, stable families BEFORE CIVIL RIGHTS than they do now. Why were they able to pull this off 70 and 80 years ago and not able to pull it off now as well?

So did whites.

Google “black illigitimacy rates” and you will see that they have been RISING over the past decades - in other words, they were once much lower. Even when public racism was much more of a problem than it is now.

I don’t want to put words in your mouth so I’ll just ask you, Are you saying then then that these people are at fault? If so, then what is the best way to rectify the situation?

So let’s just get to the heart of you point: All white people are evil and but for whites Africa/South America/Antartica would be a virtual paradise. That about sum it up?

White rates are up too.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that racism hasn’t been a problem for black-Americans. I think the debate is the degree to which it has affected blacks. I think it’s dangerous and easy to blame all of the problems in the black community on “racism”. It’s a glib answer that allows black leadership to avoid the real issues facing the black community. That said, people like Chappelle show that blacks can and do succeed in American society. Most black people are not shooting one another or having children out of wedlock. They would do well, however, to drop the victim mentality as it simply isn’t getting them anywhere and will turn other groups such as asians and latinos against them as simply don’t share the same guilt that white-Americans do.

I would not, however, consider affirmitive action as a sop to that victimhood. If, as it was intended, it were limited to black-Americans then it could really work. It’s an extraordinary remedy to an extraordinary problem (slavery).

When you say affirmative action do you mean things like quota systems or tax breaks for black owned businesses, scholarships? What comes to your mind when you think of affirmative action.

That’s a very good question.

I think quotas would create more resentment and perhaps do more harm then good.

Here’s my back of the envelope thoughts on affirmative actions.

  1. Limit it (as it was intended) solely to black-Americans as a means of redressing the evils of slavery. This would lend real moral and intellectual authority to affirmative action programs.

  2. Tax breaks and low start-up costs (waiving filing fees etc.) for true black-owned businesses (not fronts created to take advantage of certain programs). Particular emphases given for businesses that are set-up in deprived areas and have black-Americans as X% of their workforce.

  3. Give greater weight to applications from blacks who also come from a deprived of working-class background. That is, if you live in Beverly Hills you shouldn’t get an advantage simply because you are black.

  4. This is just a thought from my experience growing up in Ireland. Sponsor and support technical programs in black neighborhoods and schools. Such programs could include carpentry, electrical, plumbing etc. Not everyone should go to college and a liberal arts degree from a poor school may simply not be worth it. The development of a tradesman class of black-Americans would be an excellent way to begin the ascent up the socio-economic ladder.

Just some thoughts, by no means comprehensive

Is that what you think Chappelle was doing? Clearly not, since he felt that he was contributing to racism in a negative way, so he opted to stop. If he felt he was powerless over racism, then he would have just taken the money, eh? Instead, he exercised the power he did have, which I think it admirable.

I’ve not heard the commentary, nor have I seen some of the interviews (I tend to summarily avoid “The Actor’s Studio” because James Lipton’s mug flashing on the screen makes me scream like a frightened toddler).

I’m just thinking of the show, the final product of his “corporate paymasters’” meddling, apparently. He got to stand up in front of a classroom full of young children and exclaim “And that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack!”. There was a sketch where a guy punches out the bottom of a bag of popcorn, shoves his junk in it, and by the end of the bit his movie date’s head is bobbing up and down in it. He did a toe-curling satire with a blind, black white supremacist who’s every other word is “nigger”, meaning nigger. He had an effeminate gay Klansman in pink robes kindly ask some other “niggers” to pretty pleath leave the neighborhood. He’s got a sissy boxing match where one of the contenders is nicknamed “The Tyranical Teabagger!” He does a blatantly suggestive quasi-pornographic spoof of an R. Kelly video entitled “Piss On You”.

For non-premium cable, I’m not seeing many restraints here. I mean, yeah, when Mr. James says “Bitches! Show him your titties!”, we don’t get an unrestricted view of the titties. It’s clear however, even with the excesses of South Park, this show was pushing a few envelopes. Some clashes over content would not have surprised me, but were they over the heart of the creative content, or over things like “Dave, we’ve gotta bleep it out when you say ''Cause fuck ‘em! That’s why!’. We’re gonna lose our license…”

OK, so, with this background, he essentially shatters his contract, flees to another country with no explanation, and the public response of his employers was something like: “Please come back, Dave. Whenever you like. You get whatever you want. Take a year. Or more? Please?”

I’m not seeing the painful oppression here. Prior to, simple, non-racially tinged, incipient Brandoesque nuttyness seemed likely to me. From my naive, perhaps ill-informed perspective, I kind of wish someone would oppress me like that. I can accept the arrangement still wasn’t up to his high artistic standards, but it’s not clear to me why I’d be out of line wondering if these were, in fact, with the recent disclosures, absurdly high standards meant to wreck the arrangement because, apparently, Dave just doesn’t like working with white people, and the experience of pleasing them made him crack. I mean, that’s fine, he’s entitled to like or dislike whoever he wishes, and if he finds white money so distasteful nobody ought to force it on him. But if that’s the case (and I don’t know if it is), why cast aspersions when it seems his problem might be that the wrong sorts of people wound up liking him?

I think the point you’re missing is that he did not want to do the Rick James thing, or the crackhead thing, or drop the word “nigger” all over the place anymore. However, that was the kind of show that CC signed on for, and he no longer wanted to do that kind of show. Thus, you can imagine why he walked away from the whole deal. I wonder if creative control meant that he could change his act completely. I doubt it. As long as he was turning out the product that people came to expect, he had creative latitude, but maybe when he decided he had to move away from it, that was not OK. At least, that’s the impression I got from the interviews.

Maybe it’s because you can’t. Not because you’re white, but because you haven’t lived in Chappelle’s shoes. You don’t know what fucked-up things he was told or overheard coming from boardrooms. You aren’t privy to his life–not his personal or business drama. So of course you can’t see the painful oppression. Chappelle isn’t your best friend. To you and most Americans, he’s simply a cartoon character, a clown, a buffoon who serves to amuse. You and I don’t know the full picture.

I like Chappelle, but I can totally understand why he was bothered by aspects of his show and did not want to do it anymore. The truth is is that we don’t know what part of his show was his stuff, and what part of it was the product of writers and CC executives. Maybe the guy felt like he was already pushing the envelop enough, and yet he was getting heavy pressure to go even more over the top. Everyone has their sacred cows. Maybe he was worried he’d broken too many of them, for the wrong reasons, and he was in danger of being someone he was not.

I think black comedians who gain wide acclaim walk a tight line between being funny and being a “coon”. The former is the stereotype we’re familiar with from minstrel shows, of a black buffoon who gets laughs by embarassing himself in the basest of ways, perpetuating negative stereotypes in the process. Maybe Dave Chappelle feels like he’s allowed himself to be a coon. If all the public can do when they see him is shout “I’m Rick James BIATCH!!”, then I don’t think that feeling is completely unwarranted.

Of course, I meant the latter.

-cough- Apparently some of us aren’t quite as white as we think we are.-cough-

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I can’t figure out, from having followed this a bit, if there is a whole lotta something that Mr. Chappelle hasn’t even hinted at or if he just got deeply freaked out.

Joey Baggadonuts wins 190 Mil in the Lottery, and loses his mind. Yanno…when people who don’t expect a huge payday get it, something sometimes goes wonky. Maybe he truly stressed, and cracked, and is now trying to line up reasons to justify.

If that is the case, then it’s a bit sad that he’s not allowed to say, " Yanno what? I freaked out but good. Tons of pressure and I just could not do it. So sorry. "

Not everyone who is a performer is made of steel, right?

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Yeah, thats me. Down with all the white men. My point is that race in Latin America is a complicated subject, just like it is here, and that Latin America isn’t made up largely of undiferentiated “brown” people who live in some sort of “brown man’s world”. The lingering effects of colonialism througout the world are far too complex to stick lables “good” and “bad” on them, but what we can do is try to get basic facts (like what the racial profile of the ruling classes of Latin America) right before we start blathering about it.