Charleston, SC church shooting

One of Roof’s high school classmates said in an interview that he didn’t think Roof was a racist. ["The former classmate told The Daily Beast that he didn’t think Roof was a racist so much as a conservative with a lot of “Southern Pride.”

“He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that,” Mullins said. "You don’t really think of it like that.”](Dylann Roof: Everything We Know About The Charleston Shooting Suspect - TPM – Talking Points Memo)

An unfortunately common sentiment, in my experience.

One wonders whether South Carolina will lower the confederate flag to half-mast today.

Mass murderers aren’t like faeries: they don’t disappear when you stop believing in them.

Perhaps we could all shut the fuck up with gun control comments and talk about what’s actually going on? Jesus Christ.

Or lower every flag but the confederate.

Do you think there’s no connection?

Yes, what do you think he’d want us to do?

That’s unfair. Bush may very well not want to be giving “up-and-at-'em” speeches in a city in mourning. It’s not gutless, it’s just sensible.

A photo of him sporting the apartheid-era South African flag and the white-rule Rhodesian flag. As if there were any doubt.

The Confederate flag stands for the same things, btw.

That’s what I thought. SC has a lot on its plate right now, no need to pile on with a campaign visit like it’s just another day.

That’s the undertext of “Don’t politicize this” and “This isn’t the time”. So yes, they are.

That is not a very good pro-gun-rights argument, as you may realize.

Yes, but doesn’t that mean we finally need to quit pretending there’s no problem?

Why do you seem to imply that there is some base level of gun homicides, of any type, we should consider normal and acceptable?

Good thing nobody’s making that claim, then.

Yes, because the shock value has some hope of getting through the denialist mindset, while a steady drip-drip of murders has not.

Your claim means that’s the reason they do it, and that they’d be dissuaded if it wasn’t there. But they’re not reasoning or reasonable people at all, are they? Preventing them from killing requires more direct, more realistic measures, doesn’t it?

And a sentiment that sadly isn’t limited to the South, regardless of what many think. The racial element of this is what I find deeply disturbing. All the yammering about gun rights and gun control in this thread and in the media misses the larger problem of how deeply ingrained racist attitudes are in this country. The motive is more disturbing to me than the method.

Meet Bryan Fischer, former director of the American Family Association and conservative talk show host:

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Really? You are going with that? :dubious:

Well, Rhodesia and South Africa didn’t have slavery. So you’re right, the Confederate flag stands for something even worse.

As evidence of his having racist motivations? Sure, why not?

People sure said that a few years ago when there was a mass murder at a Gurdwara, which is a Sikh temple.

The shooter, who killed himself, did it because he thought they were Muslims.

See also this photo.

Please tell me that’s a still from the upcoming Napoleon Dynamite sequel.

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Yep. This is a guy whose classmates (some of them, at least) didn’t think was racist despite openly admitting that he made frequent racist jokes.

I think there’s this idea that the only sort of racism that is “real” racism is “I hate all black people and they should be exterminated”, and anything that falls short of that is something other than racism.