There was a shooting in Philadelphia. A Black man took several people hostage and shot only White ones. He stated he was only going to shoot some White people.
The News Media mentioned the incident. It was somewhat over shadowed by the shooting of the little girl by the first grader. The News Media and political figures have been unusually quiet about the Philly shooting.
If it had been a White man who had taken hostages, stated he was going to shoot only ‘Niggers’ and did so – it would be banner headlines, it would be a racially motivated crime, there would be rumbles of riots in the streets in Black communities, Louis Farrikan would be busily preaching White treachery and Jessie Jackson would be on his jet, flying to comfort and defend the Black relatives of the dead and to rant about discrimination.
The FBI would move to start infiltrating separationists and White Supremacist groups in the area, the new people would trample each other in a savage stampede to dig up as much dirt as possible on the shooter – correct or not – and smear it all over the local papers and stations. Masses of people – mainly Black, would show up on the site to place flowers, crosses, wreaths, have prayers and sob openly over such a horrible act and
Black Activists would be ranting about racial discrimination before every available camera and informing anyone who would listen about how evil ‘Whitey’ is.
But this did not happen because the shooter is Black.
I consider this discrimination. Where is Jessie Jackson flying in to defend and console the White families? Where are the enraged demonstrations concerning the racial injustice of it all? Why is this not being called a hate crime?
I guess only Whites can commit hate crimes and though Jessie Jackson stands for equality for all, he apparently does not consider a Black man killing White people as serious.
Your ‘outrage’ is silly; further, you are premature. Today’s USA Today reported that the suspect is chargeable under Pennsylvania’s laws regarding hate crimes, and the prosecutors are looking into doing just that, now that they have substantial evidence of anti-white bigotry contained in notebooks found in the suspect’s home.
As for the sense of moral outrage: it is hardly surprising that the white majority rarely get as outraged by evidence of prejudice directed at them as various minorites do; after all, the majority in general has things their way, and doesn’t suffer under a history of being abused by a majority.
I think you may have a few of your facts wrong. Unless, there was a seperate case that I haven’t heard of, the case of the Black man taking white people, and only white people hostage took place in Pittshburgh, not Philadelphia.
He is being charged with a hate crime. (ethnic intimidation) As was reported here, http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pittsburgh000303.html.
I don’t know how this affects your diatribe. Just wanted to point some facts out.
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Yup. Sentinel aka Rainbowcsr aka Nightgirl44 (we’ll be hearing from those other aliases of his shortly, I’m sure) is simply using this as another excuse to vent his own ill-informed bigotry (pardon the redundancy).
So when someone complains about the lack of attention of a black person killing whites, that’s bigotry? Can you explain this to me? Or are you referring to other posts?
I stand corrected. I got the city wrong, but then I was somewhat distracted during the writing of the post.
I want to know why is it that whenever there is a white on black crime that the media and nearly everyone else smears it all over the news and blows it into nearly international sensationalism? Jessie Jackson, who is supposed to stand for nondiscrimination and equality and all seems not to give a hoot if the crime is committed by a Black man to a White one. If it is the reverse, well then he is all over the news and stands tall defending the Black victim and pointing out how the Whites couldn’t care less for the Blacks.
Several radio station talk shows pointed this out and at least one had a running open mike discussion concerning it and a lot of people noticed the ‘discrimination’ in the news. Why make such a massive thing about it if it is the White person doing the crime but if it is a Black man committing an act of racial violence, well then they have to think about it for a few days and reluctantly agree that it might have been so.
Every time a White person farts these days, it seems to hit the news as racial discrimination and the media seems to take the stand that Blacks cannot or do not commit crimes of such ilk themselves. I state that they can and do and if Whites get dragged through the media circus for discriminatory acts, then so should Blacks. It even things out in that it shows that BOTH races are capable of committing discriminatory acts.
I mean, if that shooter had been a white supremacist, Stone Phillips would have been going underground to investigate hate crimes among the splinter groups and there would have been television specials concerning white hate in America.
I mean, could it possibly be that the bad image Blacks have, which creates the hated profiling of the police, was responsible to a major extent for that awful shooting of that innocent Black man by the 3 cops, just might be based in fact? Supposedly, Whites hate Blacks universally and don’t give them a break, yet the majority of weapons found in traffic stops are in the possession of nonwhites – like Blacks and Hispanics. The majority of violent shootings in the commission of a crime are committed by nonwhites. Same race disputes among nonwhites have been recorded as being more violent than among Whites or Asians.
Yet, when there is a White on Black crime, it is smeared all through the media but when the reverse happens, it is mostly ignored.
I’m getting tired of the Whites always being accused of being the bad guy when it comes to racial discrimination.
No, I can tell just from this one post that “Sentinel” is a multi-aliased poster who doesn’t like black people :rolleyes:
And, I’ll repeat, DNFTT. If his last post didn’t give you any indication, maybe this thread will. He is not interested in debate. He will simply ignore everyone else’s points and repeat himself until we all get bored and go elsewhere.
Getting into a debate with you concerning exactly what form of poster I am would be a useless exercise and something like arguing with a toilet full of shit – which would be you.
In other posts I have clearly stated that I am a bigot in many ways, so what the hell is new about that? I also have stated that I choose to control it. Either way, when it comes to ‘reverse discrimination,’ the facts of my OP are clear. PLUS, I had not considered it until I listened to a discussion concerning this very thing on a radio program.
TROLL-ISM is a common accusation on this board, along with multi-singular-personality poster ‘discoveries’. Whether the accuser is right or wrong never matters and it is usually confined within a small group of posters who consider this ‘their’ board.
So, I will reply as succinctly as I have before on this subject – fuck you all.
I was going to reply to these inanities but I then carefully reviewed it and decided that DNFTT was definitely applicable in this sense. I honestly don’t even think that Sentinel is foolish enough to believe what he himself is saying. So why waste the bandwidth?
Good for you, Sentinal, I’ll stand with you on this one. You’ve got your pansy-ass liberals in here, calling you names, because you’re not pulling the politically correct line.
You’re right, you don’t see the moral outrage on this one, the black man killing whites, do you? I like the way one the posters in here makes out it to be like, “Well, when they do, they are justified, with all the shit we’ve dumped on them.”
Along that same line, these same liberal bullshiters wonder why so many blacks are locked in prison, disproportionate to the number of blacks in public. Gee, could it be they do more crime?! Oh God NO! We can’t possibley imagine that! What, they don’t get trials by peers, they just are arbitrarily thrown in jail? I suppose that’s my fault? I don’t care if you’re white or black, if you do the crime, do the time.
Patrick Ashley
‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’ -Edmund Burke
Sheesh, Patrick, you are certainly a right-wing bigoted hatemonger, aren’t you?
If you don’t like being tarred with that brush, imagine how the decent blacks of America feel.
Among the blacks of my acquaintance are:[ul][li]a retired Army Master Sergeant who was the only ethical used car dealer in my home town[]an upper-middle-class couple from Boston who are very active in my church. She chairs the commission that ensures that parishioners who need help are connected to it.[]A former altar boy, now inactive, who is a competent jazz drummer, rebar maker at a local steel works, and a whiz at running computer-digitizing equipment.[]Two crack dealers, now in jail.[]A petty scam artist who is a fairly good auto mechanic when he wants to be honest.[]A skillful accounts-payable clerk.[]A single woman with a chemistry degree from NC State who is running a large print shop and has just taken in her 11-year-old nephew and is trying her best to serve as his surrogate mother.[]A 17-year-old hustler whose story is that his parents were killed in Fayetteville and he has to live on the streets.[]A suburban house painter.[/ul][/li]About the only generalization I can make about these people is that they have high melanin content in their skin. On second thought, a second one is that they are the subjects of discrimination on the basis of their skin color.
It may very well be true (do you have statistics?) that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. It is also true that children make a disproportionate amount of juvenile remarks. In both cases, the proper course of action is not to make some kind of dismissive generalization, but to correct the situation. Show the child why his/her remark was juvenile, and he won’t make it again. Find out why blacks commit more crimes, if that is true, and then fix the problem.
My goodness there are a lot of accusations flying around here.
Sentinel, do you listen to Larry Elder on KABC in Los Angeles by any chance? For the record, Larry Elder is a Black man who was at one time a practicing trial lawyer and is a libertarian. Definitely not someone I’d classify as right-winged, bigoted or ill-informed.
From his bio: "Born and raised in Los Angeles, Larry graduated from Crenshaw High School. He attended Brown University in Rhode Island, where he received his Bachelor of Arts Degree in Political Science. Elder continued his education and received a Law Degree from the University of Michigan in 1977.
After graduation, he was recruited by the ninth largest law firm in the country and moved to Cleveland, Ohio, to work as a commercial trial lawyer. After three years at the firm, Elder left to start his own company, Laurence A. Elder & Associates, Inc. For 15 years, he owned and operated an executive search firm specializing in recruiting and placing experienced attorneys.
In 1994, Larry sold his business and moved back to Los Angeles to begin his career at 790 KABC. His program deals with a variety of diverse viewpoints, from ending welfare and entitlements, eliminating affirmative action and abolishing the minimum wage to legalizing drugs, continuing a woman’s right to choose, and decriminalizing prostitution."
And Mr. Elder has been extremely vocal about this very issue. He thinks (and I agree) that it was ridiculous, wrong and detrimental to Blacks in general for Jessie Jackson to fly to the “rescue” of those Black kids that were expelled from school (was it in Illinois? Can’t remember now), charging the school with racism. Mr. Elder has given the statistics of White on Black crime vs Black on White crime numerous times in an effort to illustrate exactly the point that the OP was attempting to convey (sorry, I don’t have the numbers memorized).
But just because Mr. Elder or Sentinel makes an observation (in this case that Blacks are rarely ever accused of being motivated by “hate” when they commit crimes against Whites) doesn’t make those pointing it out, ignorant or racist for simply noticing that something is happening - much as we may not like that it is.
With all due respect, Poly, this topic isn’t about why Blacks commit more crimes. It’s about why the media, people like Jessie Jackson and society in general are so quick to scream “HATE CRIME” when a White person commits a crime against a Black person, yet Black on White crime is almost never classified in this way and Black criminals very infrequenly have the additional charge of HATE crime tacked onto whatever else they’re charged with. I think it’s an honest question, even if I don’t have an answer to it myself.
“How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world.” - Anne Frank
I agree, Shayna. When the Rev. Mr. Jackson characterizes any action against a black person as racially-motivated, as he is sometimes wont to do, I object. Blacks deserve equal treatment before the law.
And if a black attacks a white because he was white, that in my eyes constitutes a hate crime, just as much as the reverse would.
My initial slam at Patrick Ashley was rhetorical, as the second paragraph shows. I don’t think he’s “a racist bigot”; I think his posts show a failure to think things through. Which is what I attempted to show.
sigh Shayna, I’ve already addressed this in my response to The Ryan, but here it is again: my comments about S/Rcsr/NG44 were based on numerous statements he’s made on the SDMB, not just this one. Feel free to look them up, but for heaven’s sake, he’s admitted it in this very thread:
