So, he tells a lie for ultra-devious reasons, knowing that he’ll be found out one way or another, and this is evidenbce that Cheney is intelligent? Wow, I’m glad I’m too stupid to lie in that way.
It’s all in a day’s work for an Evil Genius™ .
Sorry, Daniel, but I just HAD to notice this little flub
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'Swhat an atheist boy gets for trying to call a Christian on his hypocrisy.
Daniel
Itv wasn’t just a prayer breakfast. Cheney has met Edwards at least four times.
It was also disingenuous for Cheney to cite being the president of the Senate because veeps almost never show up at senate sessions unless they have to ast a vote.
Soory, but Cheney refusing to play defense? He spent the first half of his answer to the Israel question defending Halliburton, which was brought up by Edwards in a previous topic, and then talked about Israel as if it was a footnote. That was the most defensive thing I saw all night.
Yes, I know. That’s why I put “or other insignificant meeting” in parentheses in my post you quote.
I know that also. But disingenuousity was running rampant that night on both sides. It’s politics. (I don’t remember the name of the clergyman who said this, but I remember when Clinton was first running for president and he made some disingenuous remark [may have been the “I didn’t inhale” comment] that had him being widely ridiculed, and in Clinton’s defense this clergyman said, in effect, “Of course he can’t tell the truth, he’s running for president!”)
I see. So Cheney was lying in order to bait a trap? Even if we accept this ludicrous proposition, it doesn’t make it any more acceptable. Hell, people have been banned on this very message board for similar behavior. I’d like to think that we are entitled to expect better from the Vice President of the United States.
Methinks you give him far too much credit. If explaining this whole incident comes down to a choice between Cheney’s intelligence and Cheney’s mendacity, i’ll carve with Occam’s Razor and take the latter every time.
The Daily show last night showed video from the 2001 breakfast where Cheney and Edwards met. Not only did they shake one another’s hand at the beginning of the event, but they sat side by side during the whole thing.
Personally, bad as it is, i think that Cheney’s lie on that issue pales beside his outrageous assertion that he had “not suggested that there’s a connection between Iraq and 9/11.” The DNC film, linked to by mack earlier, shows that this is patently false. The sheer hubris that enables Cheney to make that statement is absolutely staggering, ranking alongside Rumsfeld’s assertion on “Meet the Press” that he had never claimed that Iraq posed an immediate threat.
These people seem to think that barefaced lying will simply go unremarked, or that their supporters just don’t really care about it. Unfortunately, poll numbers and the tortuous rationalizations of Dopers like Starving Artist suggest that they might be correct.
Saying “I didn’t inhale” was probably the dumbest thing Clinton ever said, even though it may have been true. Clinton later tried to clarify that he had tried to inhale and and had choked and couldn’t get it down- a common phenomonon for first time pot smokers. Hell, I choked the first time I tried to smoke pot. Still, it came out very weaselly and it was uncharacteristically stupid for BC who was usually pretty sharp about how he phrased things.
mhendo, I think you’ve taken my post a little too seriously. I was being facetious. The post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. 
When your serious posts make no more sense than your satirical posts, there’s a problem.
Daniel
Perhaps, but i’ll be more likely to see it that way when you demonstrate that you can actually tell the difference between claiming not to remember meeting someone on the one hand, and stating outright that you have never met them on the other.
The first would be almost excusable, given the number of people that Cheney meets. The second—which is what Cheney did—is an outright lie, told for the specific purpose of making Edwards look bad.
See, it’s its this type of thinking that was the inspiration for my satirical comment about Cheney being more intelligent than most of the posters to this thread. You can see neither the humor in my satirical posts nor the correctness of my serious posts. Bad on ya, mate! 
At least one, anyway.
See it however you like. All I can do is tell you the spirit in which it was posted; how you choose to view it once you have that information is up to you.
Correct. When nobody understand what the fuck you’re talking about, it’s everybody’s problem but your own.
At least you still know how to use smileys; for that alone I can respect you.
Daniel
Yeah, it surprised me, too. But it was in the run-up to the first election and perhaps he wasn’t as polished as he would eventually become.
See, this is most telling. The occaisonal conservative who dares to show up in these threads always seems to know exactly what I’m talking about. It’s only those on the other side who claim not to understand. I, on the other hand, think you understand perfectly. You just don’t agree and therefore you pretend not to understand in a futile effort to appear superior.
Thanks…I think. 
Well, yeah. There were instances where he refused to let something go unremarked, but I was still damned impressed by his doggedness to stay on the offense. Didn’t always work to his credit, and I was standing in my kitchen calling him a liar for a great deal of what crept out of his mouth, but I was still impressed by his performance.
As to Starving Artist’s tortuous attempt to explain what happened, well, I’ll take amusement no matter the source.
May I offer a hearty and ironic “Amen”? Because this was one of those things that had me staring at the television with my mouth agape. I was floored that he would not only lie, but lie so blatantly about something that he’s on record for having said. More than once. And then to try and tie Iraq and Al Qaeda together later in the debate? The ability to lie with a straight scowl on his face is also pretty astounding.
Waste
Do you consider the swearing in duties of the Vice President as insignificant? Do you consider the casting of tie-breaking Senate votes to be insignificant? Do you think it is fair and accurate to call a weekly newsmagazine from another part of the state his “hometown paper”?
The assertion is ludicrous on its face. It was meant to underscore a false charge that Edwards has been markedly absent. IIRC Edwards’ participation in votes is over 95%. As I’ve noted before, it appears that every time Cheney was present for a Senate session, Edwards was there.
So, insignificant meetings, notable occasions - they have met, Edwards was there, Cheney is a liar.
Is there a charge against this administration that you wouldn’t dance and spin to defend?
It’s a bit like watching Crouching Tiger, Starving Artist.