In fact, it’s so uncomplicated that what we’re not getting is why you feel it’s relevant or worthwhile to bring it up.
Bless your heart.
Why don’t you read the rest of the thread and shut up? Several people, including myself, have linked to cites that yes in fact they DO. They’ve donated $5 million, in fact, to several organizations that work to suppress gay rights, oppose gay marriage, and in fact encourage governments in other countries to KILL homosexuals.
I’ll pass that newspaper right back at you. Try reading it.
They are bigots. They oppose same sex marriage out of bigotry and nothing else. Every time they are challenged to give some other reason they fail miserably. All they can do is insist over and over that it isn’t bigotry, while failing to give any valid reason for their position.
No, the reason he’s suffering is he had an illogical overreaction to people eating chicken sandwiches.
I’m a conservative, but if they weren’t so busy being outraged that I didn’t embrace them with open arms gays would love for all conservatives to be just like me: anti-religious, small government, and pro-business. Basically I’m against the two things that are the worst cancers on American society: religion and excessive government involvement with our lives, and in favor of the heart of American productivity and the consequent massive increase in standard of living over the past 150 years in this country: business, and specifically a capitalist system.
I think all marriages are antiquated bullshit designed to protect property interests, and their continued existence is just from inertia. When we were all farmers it made sense, much less so now. Notably in early history in agrarian societies most people in the small elite class had multiple partners as they weren’t as concerned about locking down their small parcel of dirt for future generations. But you know what, I understand that even though gays are mentally ill (at least in the case of all male gays, a lot of female homosexuals are probably just products of mental irregularities from being victims of sexual assault and such) as long as they are able to live productively in society I don’t know why what government forms we let them fill out matters, and so I deem the entire gay marriage debate to be stupid and a waste of society’s resources.
So if everyone on the right was like me, you’d all be lining up to get yourself into some weird ritualized relationship that mostly had to do with being able to pass down farmland to future generations and thus has no place in modern society, but hey–I’m a small government guy so I have no problem with any of that, you can do whatever you want.
What pisses me off about the Chick-fil-A situation is the outrage. Chick-fil-A gives money to political causes gays don’t like, and people who are on the “Gay rights” bandwagon don’t like. It’s totally illogical to single out just businesses whose CEO is on the news, because I’m sure the number of business who make such donations but you don’t know about it is far larger–but if it makes you feel better go ahead. But don’t act like it matters, do not fucking act like it matters.
I agree with something I heard on marketwatch the other day, basically that for most consumers these debates are way over their heads. To the “gay rights bandwagon” people fighting in that mundane and uninteresting culture war don’t realize that most of society actually doesn’t think about this stuff on a regular basis. In fact, people on the SDMB don’t realize but they are part of a very small microcosm that genuinely cares enough to think about politics very often. Most people have vaguely defined political positions and then maybe half of them vote once in awhile but the rest of America does not care. By and large this entire fiasco won’t seriously change anything, not because lots of people hate fags or lots of people want to see gay marriage, but because most people don’t live their lives day in day out worrying about gay rights or wanting to have debates about gay rights. I also agree with what marketwatch said in its final analysis: this won’t seriously hurt Chick-fil-A but it was a stupid thing to do, as a business any controversy is almost always dumb to get yourself involved in.
The boycott is supremely illogical, because your money is always going to end up supporting causes you hate as long as you’re participating in this economy, cherry picking the ones that really annoy you just make you guys look stupid. So what really annoys me is the people who have made the stupid, illogical decision to boycott this company have to insist that if anyone continues to go to Chick-fil-A it is because they are bigots. I’m sorry, but no, I bet most people will still go to Chick-fil-A because they just don’t care. But what “gay rights activists” fear more than actual homophobia is people that just don’t give a shit about their agenda. I don’t know why people participated in Chick-fil-A appreciation day, but I like to think it was at least partially a reaction to the bullshit claim that you can’t buy a chicken sandwich without being a bigot. I hope that some people who maybe even support SSM proudly lined up to make the statement that you don’t get to define someone as a bigot based on where they buy their fast food.
I also find it supremely hilarious how far leftist freaks on the SDMB come out of the wood work and talk about “living undercover in the South” like they are Jews hiding in Nazi Germany. I’ve lived most of my life in the South and the simple truth is people here by and large don’t think about these issues on a regular basis. Yes, this part of the country has more racists and homophobes per capita than some other parts of the country, but only the far leftists really believe they are sneaking around Nazi Germany like the Frank family.
Let me also clue you in on something, aside from being a mental illness homosexuality is also aberrant behavior that most humans seem to naturally find visually disgusting. While religious rhetoric is used to justify their hatred of you, the truth of the matter is they only desire to use that rhetoric to justify the natural feelings of disgust that humans see at aberrant behavior. Humans are a social species and we naturally dislike aberrant subgroups as they are not conducive to a cohesive society. So instead of railing like a bunch of pussies against the religious right, just rest more comfortably knowing they are just using their religion as rhetoric–they really just hate you because they think you’re gross and disgusting. Note all the stuff that isn’t aberrant behavior in our culture that the bible prohibits, but that religious people never utilize their religion to denounce, it’s because as socially acceptable practices (eating shellfish for example) people raised in this society don’t view it as aberrant or disgusting.
This is a good example of the foolish line of thinking I’m talking about. The belief that anyone who goes to Chick-fil-A must be consciously a bigot. You guys really just can’t even imagine that a great majority of the population doesn’t even pay attention to this stuff and doesn’t even care?
We live in a brave new world, where an event with 500,000 Facebook followers is instantly assumed to be common knowledge to a country of 310 million.
I am somewhat curious about what Martin Hyde was really trying to accomplish with that final paragraph, but not enough to actually attempt to engage him on this topic. (Edit: The one from two posts up.)
Then why wasn’t this shit taking up several different threads 3 years ago, 5 years ago? It’s not been secret that Chick-fil-A makes these donations, I don’t even follow the “gay rights activist targets of outrage” newsletter but I’ve known for years that Chick-fil-A donated lots of money to organizations that are essentially “anti-gay.”
This thing spread because gay rights people went to the twitterverse to shit on Dan Cathy over comments he made, once it was brought to more prominent attention where Chick-fil-A donates money that became fuel for the fire but don’t pretend that’s actually where the outrage came from, it isn’t.
I think the episode of South Park that covered acceptance vs tolerance would be a good starter.
Straight people like me would still be horrified.
The quoted statement is factually incorrect in so many ways that it is morally indefensible on the face of it. It shows a profound ignorance and a spirit of hate that is just plain :eek::eek::eek:.
If everyone on the right was like you, I would think living in an area dominated by like minded people was similar to Nazi Germany, as you throw around just after that.
Learned behavior is not ‘natural’ behavior. Different cultures have seen homosexuality in different ways. Attitudes toward Human Sexuality are cultural and they are learned and acquired. Your culture has pounded your views into your head since you could first parse the words they were saying, hence you think it ‘natural’.
Beyond that, I am always astonished when people spew vile hatred while denying that it is any such thing.
No, they don’t. That’s what so fucked up about you. You are disgusted by it. But millions of people younger than you aren’t. But, because you are disgusted by it, everyone must be.
Homosexuality can’t be a mental illness by definition, since a mental illness is a way of thinking that causes harm to yourself or others. It’s not a catch-all term for people who think differently than you.
The fact is that people are actually hurting from this, and you don’t care. That makes you the type of person we don’t have to care about because you care about yourself more than everyone else. You are detrimental to our survival as a species. It’s only because there are so many of us that your bigotry doesn’t condemn us all. A communal species must by definition accept that not everyone is entirely the same.
You are the aberration. You are the abhorrent one. And, because of that, you lash out at others. Because you know that, when you die, there will be more people happy about it than sad.
I used to believe homosexuality might be a mental illness. I was open to the idea. You have closed my mind. Because it’s clear that that belief is just something to fuel your homophobia. You are the New Deal Democrat about gay people. Thing is, what happened to him is too good for you.
Not really, I’m just pointing out most people are disgusted by it. I’m willing to bet most guys who are age 17-25 who support same sex marriage rights still would say “gross” if you showed them hardcore gay pornography.
I’m not really easily disgusted.
We can debate that elsewhere if you want, because that’s a 50+ page hijack of the CFA topic.
People who get upset over nothing deserve no sympathy whatsoever. Someone is literally upset that people from his State are buying chicken sandwiches, that’s fucking pathetic.
True for certain kinds of ‘shit heads,’ anyway. The equation reverses for other sorts.
No, but history is telling. In almost every culture historically homosexuals have been marginalized, persecuted (violently sometimes), or etc. Even in societies that were mostly open to regularly practiced gay sex, people that didn’t go ahead and bang a woman at least enough times to produce children would be ostracized, and even in places where gay sex was somewhat acceptable it wasn’t universally so and excessive effeminate behavior by men would be ostracized.
We can blame that on religion as though it is something that actually came from the sky (which it isn’t), or we can recognize many religions have rules against homosexuality because religions are a reflection of the people who make them up. It seems “strange” to me, if there isn’t some natural revulsion to homosexuals that virtually all human cultures naturally throughout history seem to gravitate towards being disgusted by gay sex.
Even the historically oft-mentioned Greeks and Romans, from what I can tell, gay sex was primarily common among the elites but since no one wrote about farmers (90% of the populace) back then we have no idea if that behavior was really common or acceptable to society at large.
And they’d probably say the same watching hardcore straight porn that involved a fat hairy white guy. I’m not sure what we should conclude about heterosexuality from that, though.
Pretty much what I was going to say, TT.
Simple. He hates gay people, and wants everyone else to feel the same way he does. But he’s too stupid to realize it just makes us hate him.
This isn’t the first time he’s said this shit. I had him on my ignore list for a while, but he’s surprisingly capable of actual thought for a monkey without a soul.
Now let’s see some fornicators tell me that I think everyone should just get along.
Unfortunately, you’ll probably get a mod warning for that.
There’s good reasons to me that fat people, if obese at least, would be considered disgusting. Same reason I think people naturally shy away from maggots and other sorts of thing that feed on carrion. Or rats, which we also seem to mostly naturally not like seeing. Rats often mean uncleanliness and other bad things.
Squirrels look hardly any different from rats, but people don’t tend to be disgusted by them.
I’m not necessarily saying people are “naturally born disgusted to homosexuals” but only that for whatever reason people seem to naturally become disgusted by them. If it was just one or two cultures where this happened that’d be one thing, but it’s literally all over the world in cultures that developed differently from one another. Just like disgust for carrion eaters is pretty universal too.
So did anyone hear anything about the ‘counter’ demonstration, the same-sex kiss-in and so forth that was supposed to happen yesterday? Were those Chick-fil-A locations in the North swarmed by their disproportionately pro-gay populations?