How do you feel about marriages that are not performed by a person of the cloth, and/or marriages between two atheists? People that want nothing to do with God. Can they be married?
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And I’d be satisfied if everyone reading this agreed that the bomb threat was neither productive nor funny, and that they’d say so if the opportunity ever arose with someone who got the idea to pull such a stunt again.
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Who exactly are you arguing with? Does the fact that I’m homo mean to you that I’m in favor of bomb threats against Chick Fil A? And how exactly would you propose assuaging the fear of the good people of West Virginia who this night will be kissing their children more than usual lest the nuclear glitter bomb explode in the night and who would you propose make this gesture?
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Not sure why you’re so touchy about this.
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You’ve got to be kidding me.
I am going to ask- this is not rhetorical- is it me or is it Premensoe that’s being obtuse?
I’m glad Chick-Fil-A had such a good day, and I’m sure it will more than offset any loss in revenue from boycotts.
I think it is a good lesson for the pro SSM crowd to maybe not raise such a stink when a person expresses their religious views, even if they disagree with it. One day they’ll learn that ramming it down peoples’ throats, “my way or the highway”, is not necessarily the best way to win hearts and minds.
Plessy v. Ferguson but with extra fabulousness.
Should we get them some of their own drinking fountains while we’re at it?
If they don’t have the consistency of also denying marriage to adulterers or and honoring the rest of the commandments and laws given in the Bible, but they do so with homosexuality, then yes. They deliberately single out homosexuals for discrimination that they do not actively support for other groups that the Bible condemns, so why wouldn’t they be?
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Disagreeing about the morality of an act doesn’t mean they are mentally ill or have some neuroses.
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Neither does being a homophobe. Neither does being a racist. It doesn’t mean you’re mentally ill or neurotic. In spite of the word phobia being in there nobody counts it as a mental illness.
Choosing to follow specific religious passages that support bigotry over the plethora of other religious passages leads me to believe those using the bible to restrict the rights of others to be bigots.
When I see all these good Christians going after Red Lobster with the same level of vitriol, I’ll take their claims of non-bigotry seriously.
That’s rich.
That’ll show the uppity [del]niggers[/del]faggots.
Right wingers just don’t read anything from the other side that’s longer than a bumper sticker, do they?
Sorry, what are you arguing?
Why should I be expected to live my life by your religion?
I find myself weighing the options, and I can’t figure out which is more likely; that the bomb threat was phoned in by a pro-LGBT person upset that C-F-A appeared to be doing well out of this kerfuffle, or somebody at the back of the line who wanted that line to go away quickly so he could get his sandwich.
Either way: what a dolt.
But the anti-SSM crowd has shown us how effective boycotts are with their boycotts of 7-Eleven, Abercrombie & Fitch, American Airlines, American Girl, Blockbuster Video, Burger King, Calvin Klein, Carl’s Jr., Clorox, Comcast, Crest, Ford, Hallmark Cards, JC Penny, Kmart, Kraft Foods, S. C. Johnson & Son, Movie Gallery, Microsoft, MTV, Mary Kay, NutriSystem, Old Navy, IKEA, Sears, Pampers, Procter & Gamble, Target, Tide, Walt Disney Company, PepsiCo and Walmart can be.
Why can’t it be both? 
You totally fucked up that sentence.
Since I’m an atheist, does that mean my marriage isn’t valid in your view?
Which invalidates your position, since this isn’t a theocracy. What the Bible says is irrelevant, even if all Christians agreed with you which they don’t. And the “sacred bond” was essentially one of master and slave anyway; hardly moral or desirable.
Yes. Such a person is both a bigot and irrational; they are following a blatant delusion, and trying to torment and oppress others in the name of that delusion. They are scum and should be regarded as such.
Or to put it another way, is a person who kills Jews any less of a bigot if he does so in the name of Hitler and Mein Kampf? That’s no different than hating gays in the name of God and the Bible (except that Hitler actually existed); if one is justified, then the other is.
No; in the real world, the people who have accomplished change have been those who have been willing to make noise, to get in people’s face and offend public opinion. It wasn’t people who quietly sat and took abuse who ended segregation, or got women the right to vote.
What you are doing is recommending that the pro-SSM people should shut up and take it; that they should remain quiet, while their enemies “raise a stink” and ram their beliefs down people’s throats. You are arguing that they should fight to lose.
They also had a problem with discontinuing slavery because the bible supported it, so yeah, I think they are homophobes just like I think the others were racists. And thriving about this further, I don’t know why I’d let such a paltry showing get under my skin so much. Because ultimately, this is just the last dying gasp of morons losing the war. They know in their decrepit, dysfunctional hearts that national SSM is right around the corner and that the newer generation has no issues with anyone GLBT, so they’re trying to rally themselves that this means anything. It doesn’t, except that eventually their attempt to force everyone into their theocracy is almost over.
Still, I wish I had the ability to dissociate myself from the humor race. To know what a large group of people is capable of, the darkness in their hearts, and that they are so damn proud of their willful ignorance and bigotry is beyond reprehensible. If there is the hell that they believe in, I hope their God is actually not a homophobe too, and he merrily sends them to it.
Mahaloth: What can I say? It’s not been the best day. Plus, I thought I was showing remarkable restraint. You should see me when I’m stuck watching live TV. 
Not sure if you’re talking to Sampiro or me, but I’ll respond for myself.
Your statement is :rolleyes: for…reasons that I can’t really discuss in sufficient detail since this thread is still in CS. But it involves a narrative somewhat similar to yours about what is or isn’t actually being shoved into anyones’ oral orifice, and how long the shoving has been taking place, and into who’s orifice the shoving is actually ensuing.
As long as they are a man and a woman IMO yes. Until I get tired of defending myself over my belief I’ll stress over and over that this is just my opinion.
When this story originally broke, before I got tired of the immature yelling and soapboxing, I explained that I felt this was a false analogy. I think that what the blacks went through was ten times worse and met with such hate. I think that the gays don’t have near that kind of persecution and never will
Statements like this is basically saying “left wingers don’t acknowledge anything from the other side that isn’t agreed to by other left wingers”
Ya know this is probably the best single argument I’ve heard about it, and without researching it and from a knee-jerk statement I would say that I think every religion is against gay marriage so I don’t think it’s just mine. But honestly I think I can only say it’s what I believe. It’s not the best answer in the world, or one with a lot of bite or anything. But I guess this entire argument, no matter which side you are on, is just what you believe.