I’m bothered by the word “consensual” as applied to any kind of parent/child incest. Even if it starts when the child is an adult, there’s still a power imbalance that makes the whole thing incredibly creepy. There would have to be a lot of fucked-up dynamics between the parent and child that go back to childhood, and that doesn’t suggest a truly consensual relationship.
That isn’t incest. Incest is sexual relations between persons too closely related to marry. If the people involved are legally married, they are not engaging in incest, any more than a man and woman can be partners in a homosexual relationship.
Well, it was decided years ago to not enable a barfy smiley on this board. And having to preface any discussion of such subjects with hair-tearing proclamations of how disgusted we are gets old. The topic is whether we know of instances of Children of Incest and that question can be answered with clinical coolness.
As to the notion of consent, the individual may feel there is consent, even though we as outside observers see the circumstances that distort the consent equation and conclude that it is not fully valid. But if the person affected claims consent, IMO we can report she makes that claim without feeling we must somehow be endorsing her position.
considering the fact the poster said that he , and his girlfriend, still would have had threesome with the incest lady, even if he would have known about it, I would say that he wasn’t really bothered. sounds like an endorsement to me…
If an otherwise mentally competent adult says that she or he consents to a given relationship, and there is no evidence of duress, why does another adult (i.e., you) get to gainsay her or his choice?
You, the individual, don’t, but you, the society does. This is in part because we recognize that not all adults are making sound, healthy decisions in all cases, and this is one case where the duress might be sublimated to the degree that neither party is aware of it. “Duress” might not be the right word: inequality, perhaps?
Kinda like those two captives who remained behind even though they weren’t chained. Can’t credit them with operating fully autonomously; sure can’t blame them for operating in their own best interests while in survival mode.
My mom is a nurse and used to pull extra shifts in the ER. She told me once of a couple - young woman, older man - where they both acknowledged that the man was the woman’s father, and that they were in a sexual relationship. I can’t remember what they were in the ER for, but the woman had a long history of being on the receiving end of abuse from her mother. The father had only re-entered the picture when she was an adult, and he was pretty much the only person she knew who cared about her and treated her well.
My mom wasn’t disgusted. She saves that for non-consensual incest, rape, and other abuse. But she did shake her head and muttered something about how screwed up the human race was.
See, I would disagree that he treated her well. I concede that I might be wrong, but imagine how much better it would be if he cared about her, treated her well, and did not have a sexual relationship with her. She clearly had issues with a parent; how could another parent not recognize that? Equally, the father in this case had once chosen the abusive mother and had also (for whatever reason, but let’s say benign ignorance on his part) left his daughter in that situation. No matter how healthy the relationship seemed, he had to know he was in another relationship with a woman who was not healthy, and that he bore some culpability for both aspects.
I can sort of see where the situation might not be doing any more harm, but I can’t see that it would be helping her become better and healthier in the long run.
19:29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
19:37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
19:38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
Smileys aside, this is quite probably exactly correct. The nations of Moab and Ammon are known to have had a rather fraught relationship with the Israelites… and taken literally, the story as related in the Bible makes about as much sense as the “yo’ momma” joke about that time she got fired from her job as a Quality Control Officer at the M&M factory because they saw her throwing out all the Ws.
