Chile 1973, the OTHER 9/11 -- not America's finest hour. (somewhat long)

I was listening to Pacifica Radio today, and they were talking about the junta of murderers and torturers that took over Chile in 1973. A translated voice-over was giving the testimony of a woman who was a victim of the junta:

“They raped me so many times that I became pregnant. Fortunately, due to the torture, I aborted a few months later. They trained dogs to rape me. They forced me to have sex with my father and brother. 85% of the torture was sexual. Many of the men were raped too, but they don’t like to talk about it, perhaps because of machismo.”

The junta also did things like repeated near-drownings, electric shock applied to the genitals, and rats introduced into the vagina via a tube. (The rats were then electrically shocked, and the frightened creatures would try to dig their way out.)

This is really sick $#!+ – it’s almost like these sadists, given total power to do whatever they wanted to another human being, were thinking “Hm, what other evil stuff can we come up with?”

There is evidence that Nixon and Kissinger connived at the coup. (Read, for instance, Marc Cooper’s and Christopher Hitchens’ writings on the subject.) A judge in France called Henry Kissinger for questioning about war crimes, but the suspect skipped town. Mr. Kissinger will have to be very careful where he travels for the rest of his life.

Oh yes, let’s not forget that the Chile junta perpetrated what Cooper calls “the only major act of foreign terrorism on American soil until the WTC in 2001.” To wit, they blew up a car in Washington, D.C., killing a Chilean exile named Orlando Letelier and his American secretary, Ronni Moffitt. To my knowledge, no one has ever been extradited or imprisoned for this crime.

Inside Chile, the junta killed 3,000 people – officially. That’s the same number that was killed in our 9/11. Unofficially, it may have been as much as 20,000 over 17 years of terror.

Choose your 9/11.

The junta killed citizens of many different countries. Two Americans, Charlie Horman and Frank Teruggi. (See the film Missing.) A British-born priest, Father Michael Woodward. Citizens of Spain, France and other countries. They dispatched assassins to many other countries under “Operation Condor.” This could help explain why so many European judges have been busy putting Interpol onto the assassins, including junta leader Augusto Pinochet himself.

Since Pinochet narrowly escaped a European prison, the Chilean courts have been considerably braver in indicting and investigating the torturers and murderers. But not the American courts. Some CIA files have been opened, but as far as I know there have been no extradition requests. As far as I know, the murderers and torturers may have had to go to court more often, but they are still walking around free. Unlike Bin Laden and Saddam, their location is known. But they are not hunted. No Marines are going door to door in Santiago. God Bless America?

During the bombing of Serbia, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright held a meeting with human rights leaders to try to get their support against Milosevic. She told them that, unfortunately, the US military had insisted that nothing be done about Pinochet. God Bless America?

There was a recent issue of The Nation, “In Torture We Trust?” which tells how American forces are now torturing captives for information, or knowingly turning captives over to foreign torturers. There is a disturbing new documentary, “The Caravan of Death” (also referred to in The Nation), which raises questions about atrocities committed by U.S. troops in Afghanistan. My local UPN news station gave a cheery and approving report about how the U.S. is torturing captives with loud music. But the good news is…no sexual torture, so far!!! (God Bless America?)

Columnist William F. Buckley, always a Pinochet fan, staunchly defended the dictator when he was arrested in England. God bless…conservative punditry?

When I heard that Saudis had killed 3,000 Americans on the second 9/11, our own 9/11, I was sad, shocked, a little angry. But, I’m sorry to say that if it had been perpetrated by Chileans, or Salvadorans, or Nicaraguans, or Guatemalans, my reaction would have been…well, definitely not approving, but a little more…nuanced.

And, I am so f*****g sorry if that makes you angry with me.

3,000 American lives are not worth more than 3,000 foreign lives. I’m so sorry if you find that statement unacceptable.

Choose your 9/11.

God Bless Americans. God Bless Iraqis. God Bless Chileans. And everybody else.

(Thank you, Chris Rock!)

Thanks for starting this thread…we always heard it was to protect the investments of Anaconda Copper and ITT, who incidentally aided the Nazis during WWII by building Focke-Wulfe bombers. But there was an even nobler cause, protecting the market shares of Pepsi:

‘It is the firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup… Please review all your present and possibly new activities to include propaganda, black operations, surfacing of intelligence or disinformation, personal contacts, or anything else your imagination can conjure…’
‘Eyes only, restricted handling, secret’ message. To US station chief, Santiago. From CIA headquarters. 16 October 1970.
You would be wrong to assume this plan for mayhem was another manifestation of the Cold War between the ‘free world’ and communism. Much more was at stake: Pepsi-Cola’s market share and other matters closer to the heart of corporate America.
In exclusive interviews with The Observer last week, the former US Ambassador to Chile, Edward Korry, told the story in - and behind - these and other top secret CIA, State Department and White House cables recently released by the National Security Archives. Korry filled in gaps in the story by describing cables still classified, and disclosing information censored in papers now available under the US Freedom of Information Act.
Korry, who served Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon, told how US companies, from cola to copper, using the CIA as an international debt collection agency and investment security force.
Indeed, the October 1970 plot against Chile’s President-elect Salvador Allende, using CIA ‘sub-machine guns and ammo’, was the direct result of a plea for action a month earlier by Donald Kendall, chairman of PepsiCo, in two telephone calls to the company’s former lawyer, President Richard Nixon.

http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=36

That’s right, Nixon was a lawyer for Pepsi, thus that famous pic of Nixon and Brezhnev drinking a Pepsi to celebrate detente.

An interesting sidelight. One person who confessed to the Letelier assassination was Peace Corps volunteer gone bad, Michael Townley. He didn’t need to be extradited because he was put into the witness protection program. So you can guess which agency he was working for.

http://www.lakota.clara.net/Library/letelier.html
“3,000 American lives are not worth more than 3,000 foreign lives. I’m so sorry if you find that statement unacceptable.”

Actually, the ratio of the relative worth of American lives to foreign lives is pegged to the currency exchange rate.

Those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Our country needs to recognize its mistakes, and apologize.

We obviously haven’t learned a g-d thing. This Yahoo! article makes no mention of US (CIA) involvement in the coup.

Hey, I’m not an America hater, but we sure do have a piss poor track record when it comes to picking other countries’ leaders.:frowning:

I am deeply afraid of a repeat of this atrocity in Venezuela.

So…is there a Great Debate here or did you mean to post this in MPSIMS?

I’m also unclear what the debate topic is. As it’s more of a rant, perhaps you meant to place this in the Pit?

It’s about time! We haven’t had a good conspiracy-riddled America bashing thread in a long time.

Roger_Mexico, those are ‘interesting’ cites. Maybe something from Geocities or something equally credible will bolster your case.

Here’s one for you, Brutus:

The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent, Eduardo Galeano. (Orig. in Spanish, at home on my bookshelf: Las venas abiertas de America Latina.) Read it and weep; I did, in college, as part of a class reading list for a course titled “Development of Latin American Culture.”

Here’s what Amazon.com has to say about it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0853459916/qid=1063290837/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/103-7513202-7024620

Perhaps the BBC would be an acceptable source, then? Specifically on Chile…
US ‘undermined Chile’s democracy’
CIA releases documents on Chile operations
Pinochet: the US connection
Chile security chief was CIA informer

I am far from an expert on this subject, but that hasn’t stopped others from posting here so here it goes. A large number of documents have been declassified recently regarding US operations in Chile pre-1973, and it is abundantly clear from the documents that the US was drawing a map for overthrowing the Chilean government. The documents show detailed discussions on how such an overthrow could be accomplished by funding and promoting opposition groups. What the documents fail to show is that the US ever implemented any of those plans.

Just yesterday NPR’s Fresh Air show featured an interview with an author who’s published a book where he reviewed those declassified documents and came to the conclusion that the US wouldn’t have made those plans without intending to execute them, therefore the US executed the plans. On the same show was a short interview with a former CIA agent in Chile who pretty much said that yes, they’d been asked to come up with scenarios for overthrowing the Chilean government but that they’d never executed them, and had never been asked to execute them either. His contention was that Allende’s government was a minority government, which had already announced a plan to confiscate, read “nationalize”, the property of not just foreign companies but of Chilean companies as well. In other words, the US might have been wanting to get rid of Allende, but there were a whole lot of very powerful Chileans who had much better motive, means, and access.

Having said that I should add that the US provided an awful lot of aid, monetary and military to the Pinochet government, so even if the US government was not directly involved in putting Pinochet in power it certainly helped keep him there.

Hey Brutus, how about the CIA themselves, reported by CNN.

It may be “conspiracy-riddled America bashing”, but in this case, a) the conspiracy’s real, and b) “America” (or at least the CIA) deserves bashing in this instance.

Sorry about that. I was trying to point out that though there isn’t documented evidence of US involvement in the coup, that certainly isn’t any indication that there wasn’t. If the US was involved, it would necessarily be in covert fashion. I’m sure that if there were meetings between CIA operatives and Chilean opposition to Allende, nobody published the minutes.

Plus, I wouldn’t think that an ex-CIA agent in Chile would be a very good source. He’s either disgruntled, therefore suspect, or not disgruntled, still in the fold, therefore suspect. Catch-22.

Also, I don’t think this qualifies as “conspiracy theory”, if you will. There’s plenty of non-wack info out there that strongly suggests involvement.

aahhemm… not only foreign now… but their own leaders too. :slight_smile:

As for US involvement in South America… lets say that there was no “protests” over democracy being overthrown. Chile even if not helped by the US, the coup members knew the US would support them in the future.

Brutus, how about this document, found on the UMichigan webpage? It’s an official response from the federal intelligence agencies to Congress, mandated by a federal statute, as it explains in its opening paragraph:

And here’s the first answer posed and answered:

And, further on:

So, in the CIA’s own response to a congressional inquiry, they admitted that they assisted groups who were planning on overthrowing a democratic, constitutional regime, because they didn’t like who had won the election. They did that knowing that a leading Chilean military officer, supporter of the constitutional process, was going to be kidnapped. They only pulled back from the group that did kidnap him when they decided that group wouldn’t likely succeed, not because it was an illegal, unconstitutional coup.

Except, in that link, the CIA denies their involvement in the 1973 coup.

whoops - forgot the link: CIA Activities in Chile.

Also, more generally, if the CIA was involved, so what? Allende was talking about nationalizing American firms, making him a threat to us. Pinochet was an ally, so it made sense to have him there.

If he was brutal to his own people, what is that to us?

That is quite Amazingly callous, not to mention hypocritical in the extreme.

Do you really wish to espouse such a position?