Not sure that this belongs here, but I’m guessing that this is where it will end up… so:Here.
I repeat, WTF?? They don’t actually expect us to PAY this, do they? What is China thinking (IE: of course they don’t expect us to pay, unless they are TOTALLY divorced from reality… but what are they trying to gain from this?)??
Bite me, China!! (no offense to Morrison, China Guy, or anyone else living in/on the side of China…)
China, I got your million dollars right HERE, pal!
I say we give it to them. Just put a million dollars in an EP-3 with a fighter escort, and fly it on over.
It looks like the US is going to send a bill back, and it will be for[Dr. Evil] 100 billion dollars![/Dr. Evil]
…cause that’s some damn fine Chutzpah they’ve got there. I can’t imagine them sending the bill with a straight face, but more power to them if they did.
This is especially interesting considering the day before was the first conversation between Presidents Bush and Jiang. The two spoke of cultivating a “better relationship.” Wednesday Jiang sent congratulatory wishes for Independence Day and formally invited Bush for an October state meeting. U.S. officials took this as an “olive branch,” but evidently China was faking.
Pretty ballsy country if you ask me.
I personally thought it was a wonderful move. Granted, we shouldn’t (and won’t) pay it, but it is really the kind of statescraft that would make watching the news more interesting.
“In international news today, President George Bush told the Chinese premiere to, and I quote, go fuck himself and the peasant he rode in on, unquote.”
You’ve got to be kidding me Enderw24.
If Father Pacelli got raked over the coals for the stereotypical comment in this thread, you need to be for that comment above.
Pretty cheesy (And I’m not even Jewish).
Where are the hounds for ‘correctness’ for that comment?
I flinched too, but you’ve got to quote the whole sentence: "I nominate the Chinese for Jews of the year, cause that’s some damn fine Chutzpah they’ve got there. "
Unfortunately confusing ellipses and paragraph division in Ender24’s original post. I don’t believe that Jew=tight-fisted was the intent.
-Myron
I also think there was a slight difference between the comments that Father Pacelli and Ender made:)
I don’t mean to sound like a prick, but what’s the difference?
Depending upon your background and upbringing, both could be considered vile comments, right?
Both are negative stereotypes which are both totally uncalled for and there is no difference…
China is not being cheap (which is what I assume he was getting at),they are trying a ditch effort to get the US to admit they were wrong. They just threw a arbitrary monitary value out which means nothing. One Million is nothing to either country. It’s the admission of guilt that both sides are going for - and neither will get I presume.
you can probalby remove the “which means nothing” part, “arbitrary” pretty much already covers that.
My bad…continue
You can only be offended if you allow yourself to be offended. Someone else cannot offend you. You have to allow yourself to take offense at their comments. I say, don’t. Fuck it. Life’s too short to get offended by anything. The world would be a much nicer place if people stopped letting themselves be offended by every little thing someone says.
–Tim
You know, when I wrote the comment above, the idea that “Jews are cheap” was the furthest thing from my mind. It didn’t even occur to me that it could be interpreted that way until CnoteChris brought it up. I’m sorry about it, for I wasn’t attempting to degrade the Jewish religion in any way. Nor was I alluding the the fact that China is cheap.
What I meant was, as some have pointed out, the Chinese have chutzpah. I wouldn’t have brought the Jews into it, except that Chutzpah is a Hebrew word. I’m saying the Chinese government has balls.
Again, I’m sorry for the confusion.
I didn’t mean to single you out in that post out, Ender, I was simply making an observation.
I can’t make the comments I’d like to make right now because I’m out the door, I’ll be back, however.
You could nominate the Chinese for Brooklynites of the Year because they’re sure got some “noive.”
Jesus, guys, haven’t you figured out that China is pushy? (Not unlike a few other big powers).
China billed the US for the Belgrade embassy, the US billed China for the embassy’s and consulates that got stoned in orchestrated reaction. I was “shocked” that the part about China paying the US for damage didn’t make the Chinese domestic press.
You’re surprised that they billed the US for parking the plane? It’s kinda analogous to getting your car impounded. But more importantly, this is part of the whole face issue. The US pays something, anything, it of course can be interpreted in the Chinese press as some “justice” or “closure” in their eyes.
It’s a sideshow anyway. China is entering WTO, Powell is visiting China later this month, China backed off on Taiwan and didn’t get too upset when that “renegade splitist” Lee Tung-hui visited the US recently, and Dubya is coming to China for the APEC meeting in Nov (Oct?). I’m personally most curious about the Olympics and what back room deals have been cut there.
Ender, accept your explanation. You could have easily said the Chinese have chutzpah and the same point would have been made. That said, I have a good American Chinese buddy that very loudly in public often makes the point that “the Chinese are the jews of Asia.” I find it obnoxious but that’s my buddy.
The suggestion that if you are offended by something that somebody eles says, you must be at fault, might be better placed in context if you bear in mind that this is from somebody whose early posts on these boards included an extended rant against Mexicans.
As for the OP: the US landed a plane on a Chinese airfield without permission and China has incurred expenditure as a result. I don’t see what’s so unreasonable about it.
I’ll tell you what. You drive around my neighborhood, I’ll decide to wreck into you, and my family can hold you captive for a few days and then charge you to get your car back, which, of course, I wrecked.
Think about that, and then wonder why people might object to paying for it.
If you look at the yahoo news headlines, it contains the following:
/begin quote/A State Department official, asking not to be identified, said the expenses were exaggerated.
This came a day after Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, a Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman, said the administration was prepared to reimburse China for reasonable costs./end quote/
So, again this looks like explosive headlines containing a tempest in a teacup. Just the facts, ma’am. FYI, as of this morning, this incident was not in the domestic Chinese papers, or at least not the Shanghai Morning Daily.