Christian Prayer=Why Bother?

Why bother praying?

If “God” is truely omniscient and omnipotent, isn’t what you are praying for kind of either moot or pointless or both? Apparently its all gonna happen accordining to “God’s will” anyway, so why bother asking? Are you trying to boss God around?

Also, “prayer as worship” an omniscient "God’ knows what is in your heart, so why bother?

And this whole idea of ending prayers with “In Jesus’s name” as if you had to remind an omniscient being of why you are praying…
Or just “Amen” - as if that concludes some formula (spell?).

For those of you who say prayer is a personal experience, why then the formulaic standard?

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Because my penis isn’t just going to get to average size by itself…

:shrug: Why do people sing in church, or anywhere else for that matter? You know the words, your audience likely knows the words, so why bother communicating something that’s already known? And why stick to a melody when simply speaking in monotone would do just as well?

I am amazed at the intelligent people who just do not get this.

Prayer is not & never has been intended for God’s benefit, but for ours. It’s our communication with God, to help us in forming a relationship with Him.

The ceremonial/formal form of prayer probably derives from the nigh-universal habit of formality when addressing one’s superiors. Adding “In Jesus’ name” is to remind us Christians that our whole relationship with the Father is through Jesus.

And the “Amen” is to let everyone know they can now grab for food. :smiley:

Can you clarify? If you are communicating with god, doesn’t that automatically make it for his benefit (so he understands what you’re saying/thinking)?

Of course not. Does anyone really think that people who pray don’t think that God doesn’t know what we are thinking/needing?

We pray, not because God needs us to, but because we need to. We need to remind ourselves that every good thing we have, we have from God; that we rely on Him to bring us through the bad times; that we rely on Him to take care of our loved ones & ourselves, etc. Maybe, “communicating” isn’t the best word- “communing” might be more accurate. Also, a really intense raging prayer/rant at God can be really good to spill the guts & clear the head.

Also, more to the OP- according to Christian thought, Jesus is the closest to God there is, either sharing in the same God-Essence as the Father or just next to it.
And Jesus prayed to the Father in His earthly life. So if Jesus needed to, so do we.

Yes, I think “communing” works in this instance.

I do, however, think that LOTS of people believe that if they ask god for something in the form of a prayer, he hears them and reacts. I think these people have a completely different idea of the purpose of prayer. I believe that THEY believe they are communicating with god personally.

Same reason as spellcasting [and christians get really grumpy when you point out that a prayer and a spell are essentially the same thing] a way to format your thoughts, a formalization of intent.

And the bible is nothing more than an aide memoire as to what is expected, told in stories. All you really need is a listing of the laws, the stories illustrate the laws. A table of laws would be pretty boring. Commentary is fun to read.

You’ve got an extra negation there. But, I see you’re making the same point I was going to.

Prayer is a foreign language to me, but it’s always been my understanding that it’s 1) a way of communing with God, and 2) a way of communing with other people through a shared emotional experience.

Moving thread from IMHO to Great Debates.

Oh, I believe I am communicating with God, but not in the sense of telling Him something He doesn’t know. And I do believe that He may act in ways that He won’t unless we do pray. The Biblical God has an interactive relationship with us. He expects certain things from us, and may provide us with certain things depending on how we meet those expectations. People who pray all the time may well see more Divine activity than those who not.

(Yes, I am speaking as a Christian believer & I know there are other interpretations. I’m just giving a Christian perspective.)

In my belief, prayer is a lack of trust in a being that knows your every thought, or a good father who would not give his child what was necessary to one’s well being or hold anything back anything that would help him have a better life.

If my child would constantly pester me for things that were necessay to his well being and I had the fore-knowledge as to what was best (as God is said to have), I would be irritated. Or if I held anything back that I knew would cause my child harm.

I wouldn’t expect him to believe I was his parent if I kept myself hidden,and expect him to know about me in a second handed way.

Monavis

Ok now I’m totally confused. You are saying that he knows what you’re thinking, but if you articulate it he’ll respond better?

Do you believe that the god you pray to is the same god a muslim prays to? Since they pray multiple times each day, do they have a better standing with god than someone who prays once a day (or once a week)?

I think people pray for themselves, too, but it has nothing to do with communicating with a higher power, and everything to do with making themselves feel better (and if it works, more power to them). I would liken it to a power of positive thinking thing - if you think that telling a higher power about your problems is helping, it probably is. It’s also a form of meditation, which is also good for people.

I’ll echo Friar Ted in saying that prayer is for the person praying way more than it is for God, although I do believe that God likes to hear that we love him* and prayer is one way to communicate that.

I participate in lots of different types of prayers and all of them are done for different reasons. Most of my day to day prayer is free form. I may think or say actual words, or I may just be sitting and being with God. It feels a bit like sitting with a close friend, that same sort of comfort you get being around someone who knows you as you know yourself. I can tell God my worries and I trust that what needs to happen will happen, that, to quote Ani diFranco, “all of these dark colors are part of some bigger color scheme.” I try not to look at prayer as a birthday cake wish, where if I do it right I’ll get what I want. In darker times, prayer is just telling God what I’m going through and trusting that he won’t give me anything bigger than I can handle.

When I’m with the Benedictine Sisters of Virginia (technically, I live with them, but I’ve been away for a month to help with a new baby), I pray the Liturgy of the Hours. Three times a day, we gather as a community and pray a combination of psalms, scripture, and songs. At the surface, the psalms are the biggest part of the worship, but I think community trumps them when you get into the prayer. The Liturgy of the Hours is also called “The Prayer of the Church”. Roman Catholic (and perhaps other flavors of Catholics and Christians), priests, religious, and laity, pray the same prayers throughout their days around the world. Within the prayers, there’s a beautiful rhythm and a feeling of connectivity with a greater whole. That alone is a pretty powerful feeling. Then there are the words themselves. It’s a rare day when there isn’t some line from a psalm that hits me in a new way, as if God had planned that I would read it just when I needed to.

Then there are formal, usually individual prayers, like the Rosary. Just praying one mystery of the Rosary gets you fifty-three Hail Mary’s and large handfuls of Our Father’s, Glory Be’s, and Fatima Prayers, plus a few extra opening and closing its thrown in for good measure. Why on earth would I want to pray all of that? Same reason as everything else; it feels good. Prayers like the Rosary or the Divine Mercy Chaplet have a definite meditative quality to them. I imagine that if you studied my brain waves while I prayed them they’d look a lot like they do while I knit. I physically get a nice buzz from them. There’s a definite spiritual quality to praying those formal prayers on my own, but it is a bit different each time I sit down to pray. Sometimes, it’s a deeper understanding of some part of my faith. Sometimes, it’s comfort or relief from worry. Sometimes, it just helps me to feel close to my deceased grandmother who loved the Rosary.

Probably the last big way that I pray is spontaneous prayer throughout the day. Most often, this is in traffic. If there is a lousy driver near me on the road, I’ll say a quick prayer asking God to protect that driver and whoever he or she might come in contact with. I have no idea if it does anything for the driver, but it sure as heck keeps my stress level down. I have trouble being mad at people I pray for.

Another spontaneous prayer I say many times throughout an average day is a quick, “Thank you, Jesus!” when something good happens. That one is because I believe that God wants us to be basically happy and during those times when it’s easier to see that I try to give thanks. Again, this is more for me than for God. God knows when I’m thankful and when I’m not, but the act of saying, “Thank you, Jesus!” helps to keep me in a God-centered mindset. If I’m thinking about God, God’s plan for me becomes easier to discern (note: easier does not always equal easy) and I’m better able to live that basically happy life that God planned for me.

So, yeah, what Friar Ted said, but in a longer, more rambling way.

*No, I don’t think God is a man, but the male gender is more commonly associated with God and is less jarring to read, so I’m going to go with it instead of either female specific pronouns or not using any pronouns. Not using any pronouns is just too darn repetitive.

Just a quick answer as to “Is the god I pray to the same god the Muslims pray to”:

First, I believe in One God, in Whom are the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Triune God gets all the mail, no matter who the envelope is made out to.

I do not believe the Muslim, Hindu, etc. views of God are correct, but their prayers get to the Triune God also.

I believe the Jewish view of God is more correct, but still incomplete. And their prayers also get to the Triune God.

So technically, No, I don’t believe I pray to the same god as the Muslims as the Triune God is not Allah & Allah is not the Triune God. Jews & I will disagree when I say that I pray to the same God as they do.

Back to the OP which is on “Christian prayer”.

Jesus prayed. He taught His followers to pray. He taught that prayer is an expression of trust & relationship. He taught that God does some things as a response to prayer, whether or not God might do them otherwise. How & why all that works, I don’t know. We can speculate, but I don’t think I’m going to say “Hey, the Dopers are right! Prayer is stupid & Jesus didn’t know what he was talking about” anytime soon. :smiley:

So does the animal sacrifice enhance or detract from the effect?

Bolding mine.

Do you think that that is the purpose of prayer?

Do you think that is its only effect?

I don’t believe, but I am curious, because the people I know who pray do think they are affecting the course of events.

You tell me what the purpose of life is, and I’ll tell you how praying fits into that purpose.

By that standard, why bother doing anything?

My SO knows I love her; why should I bother telling her?