Why would anybody want to go on a murderous genocidal rampage? And yet, it happens all the time, it seems. In Heaven, though everyone will have free will, nobody will disagree with each other or God, nobody will rebel because nobody will want to, and we’ll all be one big happy family.
Take the words God and Heaven out of the previous paragraph, put in a random name and place and show to people, and the first word that will come to mind is “brainwashing”.
I have leqrned from this thread that if there is a heaven than the Angels would not have rebelled. If there was free will they were punished for using it. Or God felt inadequate and punished His first creation.
Self Hypnosis is a wonderful thing.
Monavis
That happened in the first page, keep on reading.
If heaven is so wonderful then everyone would have been happy with things the way they were, so if the angels were disatisfied then it isn’t such a great place.If they were happy they wouldn’t have rebeled, and if God created them then He knew they would become unhappy but He supposedly went ahead and created them any way. Does your God take pleasure in someone’s suffering? If Satan was sent out of God’s presence and God then Created a Hell to put his creation in, I would not think that he cares about what He creates.
Of course I know it is just a story so I do not take it seriously.
Monavis
There was no rebellion by anyone, there was a need to create Lucifer by the early writers, someone to blame the bad stuff on. So a fallen angel was the scapegoat. Now God is perfect and creates perfectly, there is a flow toward God, not away from Him. But what if an angel had decided to do bad things, that angel would not be any more powerful than you or I. Who would be afraid of one bad angel. It’s a nice story, not reality.
In the reality of the spirit world there are no devils, demons, etc. However, as everyone knows thought creates, so Heaven, Hell, demons, devils, are constructs of thought and will disappear as soon as no one thinks about them any more.
Yes, Jesus talked about demons and things, He taught the people through their own filters, their own beliefs. Demons could have been nothing more than obsessive habits like demon rum. Hell nothing more than the where the garbage was burned.
God is unconditional love.
:dubious: Thought creates nothing, if all you do is think. Purely imaginary things aren’t real, believe it or not.
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:dubious: Thought creates nothing, if all you do is think. Purely imaginary things aren’t real, believe it or not.[/QUO
Thought creates everything. There is no action without thought.
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What a load of tripe. A tree rots over time, falls, a cloud of leaves and dust and twigs rise up-all without anybody thinking about it.
So, you were arguing that thought incited people to act and manually create literal incarnations of Heaven, Hell, demons, devils? Out of legos or something? Since that’s the only way that thought creates anything.
Or were you just babbling?
I do not believe there was a rebellion either,nor do I believe in a Heaven or a Hell.
And what is unconditonal Love? It is in my mind just an emotion and there are many ways for people to think what love is. no a being.
Monavis
Love is the glue (force of attraction) that holds everything together, without love everything falls apart.
This reminds me of the Jack Chick tract that equates Jesus to the Strong Nuclear Force. If that’s what it means to be a deity, I’m glad it’s not me whose job is to keep protons in the nuclei of atoms form flying apart, simultaneously for every atom in the universe.
Do you make this stuff up as you go along, or is there some manual or book we can use as reference?
No, I am not creative enough to make it up, I learned it from contacts with spirit.
Now, there are “books” that contain this information. Notice I use the word “contain.”
“Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul”
“The Nature of Personal Reality”
“The Unknown Reality”
are books written by Jane Roberts and contain most of the information I have presented here. Actually they are channelled books from Seth.
I have read them all and more, they are beautifully written and explain much.
There is only one author I value more, and that is “Emmanuel’s Book II, The Choice for Love”, compiled by Pat Rodegast and Judith Stanton.
I’ve been resisting…
Yes, but in heaven there ain’t no beer.
That’s why I drink it here.
What happens when we’re gone from here?
Same old, same old.
No, no, the answer is that our friends will be drinking all the beer.
What are you, uncultured?
He can’t even go off-topic right.