Civil War and Batman vs Superman: please help me to get excited about these movies

Well of course he has no idea, Superman has a secret identity, remember? All we know is that he’s some dude who doesn’t wear glasses.

I love Christopher Nolan, I really liked Argo, I do like Ben Affleck and think that he could be a good Batman. I also heard some good buzz from some advanced screenings and was thinking that maybe it turned out well and I was more considering going to see it.

However, Nolan was also an executive producer on the Johnny Depp becomes AI movie Transcendence. And the reviews have started coming in, and they are not good. It’s at 39% on Rotten Tomatoes right now, and even some of the “fresh” reviews are pretty weak recommends.

I might go see it if friends are going, or if I win free tickets through the contest my local comic book shop is holding, but it’s difficult to get enthusiastic about it.

Yeah, no kidding. But I am quite impressed with her using whiskey as coffee. I’d be sound asleep.

Yes, I resumed it yesterday. Already the next episode was better. I just had to get over the hump…pun intended.

And I still hate Spidey!

Never mind…more sex. Aargh! Now the blond chick is sleeping with the cop. No one makes smart decisions in this show!

It turns out the buzz (and me) turned out to be wrong on this one. The reviews are really turning me off. I can oftentimes overlook that, but the tone of these doesn’t scream fun to me. (And I already hate Zach Snyder, so that doesn’t help)

I think I would have been much more excited if they had done a Batman vs. Superman movie in 1991 or 92, when we could have had Keaton and Reeve play the parts.

With Lynda Carter reprising her role as Wonder Woman – yeah, I would go for that!

Most people don’t make smart decisions in real life. The point is that superheroes, despite their powers and responsibilities, often don’t make any decisions that are more reasoned (submitted into evidence one Anthony Edward Stark, creator of Ultron, instigator of the Mandrian, and general asshole to everyone who has to deal with him), and the ramifications from their poor decisions are more significant because of their powers. You have a bad day and get angry, you put your foot through a cardboard box; Bruce Banner gets angry, he breaks Johannesburg. Jessica Jones in particular makes a whole slew of bad life decisions because she is basically an overaged teenager raised by a sociopathic media whore who just happens to be able to lift sports cars and fly through the air.

Stranger

Yeah, I know.

On a slightly different tack, it is amazing to me that there is apparently not one Asian in all of Hell’s Kitchen, only black and white people and a few Hispanics. :rolleyes::rolleyes: At least Daredevil had some Asians, even if they were cast in the bad-guy roles.

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You need to watch the releases geared towards the Chinese market. I understand that there are whole scenes that are added to Iron Man and other Marvel movies that involve Chinese scientists or doctors that are only in the Chinese versions.

Not sure why Hollywood has such a thing about not casting Asian actors but it seems to be true.

By comparison, imagine what Shakespeare’s plays would be like if his characters made good decisions.

Hamlet:


Act I, Scene ii.  The hall
CLADIUS: But Gertrude, why won't thou marry thee now?  We would save so much 
dinero by offering the funeral-bak'd meats at the wedding reception?
GERTRUDE: Because it is unseemly that my dead husband's brother wants to 
get on me so quickly, and my son needs time to process the death before he's 
ready to accept you as a stepfather.  Also, you are one cheap-ass bastard and 
nobody really likes you anyway.

Act I, Scene iv.  The platform
HAMLET: Fuck, it's cold up here.
HORATIO: (drawing on a joint) What's that noise?
HAMLET: Oh, Claudius is just blowing horns to convince my mother to marry him 
now that Dad is dead.  Who does that kind of shit?
HORATIO: Hey, look!  A ghost!  It's the King!  The King of the Ghost!  I mean, the 
Ghost of the King!  Woah, this is heavy.
HAMLET:  Dude, where's my horse?  Anyway, I'm going to go rap with this ghost.
MARCELLUS: What's that rotten smell?
GHOST: Hamlet, you young wastoid!  My brother killed with me so he could tap  
your mother's ass and take over the kingdom.  Avenge me and take your rightful 
place as heir.  Also, don't let that neferoius dick young from Norway cross 
through Denmark, or drink any wine you haven't poured yourself.  
HAMLET: Will do, Dad.
HAMLET: No time, guys, I gotta go fuck up my uncle.  

Act II, Scene i.  POLONIUS' room
LAERETES: I can't wait to get to school and get it on.  I hear they've got 
some hot chicks from Italy coming in this semester.
REYNALDO: Very good, my lord.  Don't get caught with your pants down.
OPHELIA: Oh, Hamlet startled me by walking into my room half-naked!
POLONIUS: Don't trust him!  Young men only want one thing; your love pita!
OPHELIA: Jesus, really? That's what we're calling a vagina, now?  It's A.D. 1400, 
grow up.

Act II, Scene ii. A room in the castle.
VOLTIMAND: Hey, young Fortinbras wants to cut through Denmark to go make 
fun of some Polack.  
CLAUDIUS: Tell him to go bugger himself.  He can swim around.
POLONIUS: This business is well ended...blah blah blah, brevity is the soul 
of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes...
GERTRUDE: Jesus Christ, old man, get to the fucking point before I start 
menopause.  Do you ever listen to yourself?

ROSENCRANTZ and GUILDENSTERN: Hey, Hamlet, buddy!  How's it hanging?

Hamlet skewers both with a polearm

HAMLET: Well, that will same some time later, I think.  Now, about this play...

Act III, Scene ii.
HAMLET: Hey, Ophelia, how about we sneak out of here and make out in the 
cemetary?  My old mate Yorick is buried there.  
OPHELIA: You are pretty creepy, but unfortunately you are the only age-
appropriate man in this entire castle who isn't my brother.  So...I guess.  
Let's just stay away from the creek.  I can't swim very well.

Act III, Scene iii. 
GHOST: Hamlet, get off your ass, stop farting around with Ophelia, and avenge me, 
damnit.
HAMLET: Alright, alright!  Just one more game of backgammon, okay!

Act III, Scene iv.
CLAUDIUS: My words fly up, my thoughts remain below.  Words without thoughts 
never to heaven go.

HAMLET emerges from the closet.

HAMLET: That may be true, but now that you've confessed to killing my father, 
I'm going to put this dagger through your ear!  

Hamlet stabs Claudius repeatedly in the head and throws the lifeless corpse onto 
the courtyard below.

HAMLET: Anybody else looking for a piece of this, bitches?  I didn't think so!  
Yeah!  I'm king, and you all do what I say, or you're going to get the same. 
MACBETH: I am the one who knocks!
HAMLET: Wrong play, dude.   
MACBETH: Oh, sorry...very sorry.  Didn't mean to interrupt.  Please continue.


Oh, no, we like Asians. Just as long as they aren’t, you know, too Asian. Less Bruce Lee, more David Carradine, if you get my gist. Except that Jackie Chan, he’s really funny even if he is actually from China. We can put him in a movie with a squeeky-voiced black commedian and make a ton of money even without a script or good direction.

Stranger

There are not that many Asian actors in North America. SAG membership is under 4%. Good thing about ninjas, they only have to be asian if you’re doing a close up.

There are plenty of Asian actors, and about a million prospectives. And lots of roles for them. Malcolm, for example, didn’t have to be black, he would have been perfect as Korean or Japanese. And that doesn’t even count South Asians. Not one brown guy or girl anywhere, not even in the background. Um, I’ve been to NYC! I have seen the seas of brown people. :slight_smile:

Oh, and I don’t want one with a heavy Indian accent, either. An Indian who was born and raised here and is just as American as anyone.

I watched most of the Aziz Anzari show Master of None and approved (except, again, for the romance, which was just boring). An Indian man and an Asian guy, with no accents, little connection to their ethnicities, not being doctors, just being, you know, guys. And a black woman! They were great!

I do have to say, though, without knowing much about the SAG, I don’t know if not belonging to it is indicative of anything. I don’t know, maybe it’s the most inclusive buddy-buddy group in the world, but history has shown that Asians and blacks don’t necessarily join all-white clubs, even if the white clubs are welcoming. It can be exhausting being the only, or one of a few, people of color, in a room. I should know - I go to chamber meetings for several towns where I live and it is nearly always 100% white, with maybe one black person, and 99.9% of the time I am the only Asian person. I know they would welcome it, and they are unfailingly welcoming to me, but it’s not always easy to walk into a room and essentially say “Here I am!”

Ah well, could have would have should have.

Well, I am waiting for my couch to be delivered and so I am watching Jessica Jones while working from home. Some of it is good. Mostly the interactions between people.

Basically you almost have to be in SAG to work on a project of any note. Its not a club - its the union. The pdf I just looked at said in 2006 Asians/Pacific islanders made up 3.4% of membership.

BATMAN V SUPERMAN WILL MAKE YOU HATE BATMAN, SUPERMAN AND THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
This is a film so bad it wears you down and makes you wonder if there was ever such a thing as a hero anyway…Meanwhile it’s hard to imagine what Superman did to DC or Warners to earn the characterisation he has been saddled with here. He’s never been further from a Big Blue Boy Scout; this guy doesn’t seem to have a straightforwardly decent bone in his body and barely cracks a smile.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a joyless slog. Filled with scenes of gloomy characters confronting their demons or wrestling with their insipid moral quandaries, it’s not a superhero movie so much as it is an excruciating therapy session in which there are occasionally huge explosions and guys in capes. The template for how to make a great Batman movie laid out by Christopher Nolan in his Dark Knight trilogy—grounded characters, a somber tone, believable emotional stakes—has now been pureed by Man of Steel filmmaker Zack Snyder into this indigestible, posturing, two-and-a-half-hour mope-fest. In the past, the man behind Watchmen, 300, and Sucker Punch has let style suffocate substance, but even his misfires have always had a welcome kink or spark to them. By comparison, Batman v Superman is simply soulless, which is strange for a film whose main characters are supposedly plumbing the depths of their souls most of the time.

There aren’t that many Asians in North America, period. If less than one role in twenty goes to an Asian actor, that’s only reflecting the reality that the vast majority of the US population is not of Asian descent.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice contains a major revelation: it isn’t that Zack Snyder misunderstands Superman, it’s that he actually hates the character…Henry Cavill is a wooden log throughout most of the film, giving a performance so lifeless and dull that it feels like a protest. His Superman alternates between being a mopey bore and a real asshole, two qualities for which the character is not usually known. …It’s because Snyder doesn’t believe in what Superman stands for. He doesn’t believe in the idea that he’s just a guy trying to do right by the world, and that he doesn’t have to learn to do right or be convinced not to quit, that this just is how Superman is. It’s as integral to him as his Kryptonian powers.

Because Snyder can’t understand that aspect of Superman he undermines it at all times. His Superman engages in the bare minimum amount of heroism. We see Batman taking care of more business than Superman, who mostly helps the people closest to him (we also see Bruce Wayne save more people during the Battle of Metropolis than Superman did in Man of Steel). His Superman is an asshole, a pompous and condescending jerk who makes threats.*

Why is Iron Fist being played by a white guy? Whiter than white, in fact. Won’t be watching that, that’s for sure.

Anyway I don’t ask that Daredevil or Jessica Jones or even their main surrounding cast necessarily be non white. But would it really kill to reflect the occasional Asian or Indian in one of their shows or movies?

Anyway. I’ll say what I always say. I’ll still watch the shows and even enjoy them…but it’s hard to watch, all the time, with never seeing a whit of representation.

Thank goodness Sulu was Asian in the old Star Trek, or I would expect he would be white in the new one too. Same with Uhura!