Clash of the Titans (for those who have seen it, spoilers)

(I saw the other thread but it seems to be mostly anticipatory so I thought I’d make a new one)

Anyway saw it tonight… the effects were certainly a hell of a lot better than the original. Unfortunately that’s about all I can say for it. As much as I like pretty renders, effects do not a good film make. I just couldn’t get into it: maybe because I couldn’t connect with any of the characters, maybe because it just felt too much like bland factory-produced movie of the week. Even though it’s Thursday, for an opening night prime-time showing the theater was only about 1/3rd full. That seems kinda weak.

Luckily I didn’t have very high expectations going in, so I’m not disappointed.

I’m on the fence about seeing it tonight.

Never seen the original. I’m not looking for high art, but I don’t want it to be a waste of money either.

I mainly only went to the theater last night because they have a place that makes really good salads and I was looking forward to having a Cobb salad before the show. Then when I got there I found that the salad place had gone out of business. That probably ruined my night more than the movie.

Anyway a question occurred to me (once someone else actually sees it) - what the hell were those scorpion-riding “Jin” guys all about? Maybe I have really bad memory but I don’t remember anything of the sort in the original, nor from Greek mythology.

I saw the first showing today. It was pretty full. Even though it is good friday and all, I was still surprised at the number of people at a friday matinee.

I thought it was pretty mediocre. It was OK, but for my tastes deviated from the myth far too much.

Djinn also known as Genies.

The Washington Post eviscerated it this morning. 1/2 star. Said it was boring, bland, nonsensical, and the characterization was lacking. Too bad. I guess I’ll stick with the original.

Ah…* those* djinn. I didn’t get the sense that they were genies at all… and I thought that was more of an Arabic myth than a Greek one (which Wiki seems to confirm). So how did it end up in this movie?

The Djinn are an aspect of middle eastern mythology, desert dwelling spirits. Why they felt the need to shoe-horn them in to a movie about Greek mythology I don’t know.

Just got back from seeing it - what a terrible, TERRIBLE movie. I will concede that the special effects were extremely good, eye wateringly so at times. The scenes in Olympus were extremely well done, they looked beautiful (and what you’d expect the Greek pantheon’s HQ to look like) and were acted out well too. Saying that, when you’re submitting the special effects as evidence for the defence you know your case is pretty weak. Also whoever was in charge of the costumes, make up and general set design did a bang up job - this really does look and feel like ancient Greece, right down to the hair styles.

Now the bad, and there is a lot of it. Considering how many lauded, Academy award winning and nominated actors there are in this film why is this such a ham fisted performance? Ralph Fiennes is clearly making the best of a bad situation and is probably being directed to play the role in the way he is, but Sam Worthington is just absolutely dire with all the pathos of a freshly felled tree. There’s also quite the medley of accents going on as there is no consistency - Worthington is in full on Australian (which sounds TOTALLY out of place) and another major character is talking Scots. WTF?

The story is completely different to both the original myth and the 1981 film, even though they share common events. This film seems to want to be partly like the original film, using parts of the dialogue and plot points sometimes (the nod to the 1981 film with Boo Bo appearing briefly got a great laugh from the audience). However these sometimes feel clunky and forced in for no reason - Acresius taking on the role of Calibos felt like it was there purely for the sake of it. Furthermore, what I don’t understand is that Greece’s mythology is so rich with interesting stories why does Hollywood feel the need to fuck with (and in the process fuck up) what they already have? The final story is completely at odds with all Greek mythology, the gods were a key feature of everyday life and cosmology, defiance of them was ALWAYS met with horrible consequences. No-one in their right mind would attempt to deny them or even worse go to war on them. Also, what is it with Hollywood trying to depict Hades as unhappy and vengeful as god of the Underworld? He CHOSE that role in the original myths, yet this isn’t the first film I’ve seen where he basically gets pissy and tries to usurp the throne of Olympus.

Ultimately I don’t really know what story the film is trying to tell. Is this a story about rejecting religion and embracing the power of mankind? Well not really as Perseus only achieves what he does because he’s a demi-god and has the assistance of the gods (oh, speaking of which, how the hell did the Argosians realise that Perseus was a demi-god at all?). This also isn’t a story where faith gives way to something else as faith barely seems to be relevant in the lives of the humans, it matters only to the gods. Then there is the fact that this film is clearly set in a mythological world with fantastical elements - the gods are real, monsters are real, you can get day trips to the underworld, so this isn’t about man turning his back on the past and moving into a rational future or somesuch. So… what is it about? At the end Perseus is kind of left where he started but minus a family, his journey seems to be almost irrelevant to him (although the Argosians are extremely relieved I’m sure). Even the romantic plot is completely tacked on, there to complete the Hollywood formula, not because it really serves a purpose.

Also maybe I’m in a minority but if you were offered the chance to be immortal and live in heaven wouldn’t you take it rather than choose to live a miserable existence in bronze age Greece? Perseus’ rejection of the offer of divinity rang extremely untrue to me. Yes I know it was supposed to be from anger at his family’s death, but Perseus doesn’t really seem to care about people particularly. He doesn’t even comment that every person who went on his quest with him gets killed (even though just five minutes ago he was giving them a “you’re the best men, women and whatever the hell you are that a guy could go on a quest with” pep talk).

I’ll admit that the film kept me entertained enough to not want to walk out, but it really wasn’t very engaging and once I’ve finished this post I’m unlikely to ever think about it again. That is, unless they do a sequel (and my god did they look like they were trying to set one up in the final scene).

Really? Every commercial I’ve seen shows Perseus sporting an ugly jar-head buzz cut. WTF? Did they really have Wahl Clippers back then? What happened to the long wavy black locks?

In the myths, isn’t Hades unemotional and indifferent? He’s the one god who can’t be negotiated with or pleaded with. He’s just…there.

Was it just me or was Sam Worthington channeling Jason Statham?:dubious:

Worthington does indeed have a crop (but then he does in all his movies). All the other characters have long black locks.

Quite. But both this film and Disney’s Hercules depict him as this pissy and discontented, jealous god who wants to take over the world. Way to miss the point.

Just got bavk from the film.

Wow.

There are more WTF moments in this film than there are in Troy – things changed not for the purpose of a tighter script, or to make things more clear, but evidently changed just for the hell of it.

it’ a pretty fair bet that the screenwriters didn’t consult mythology on this – they seem to have taken the script for the 1981 movie and thrown it into a blender, along with Disney’s Hercules, a dash of Lord of the Rings and random other stuff ( Djinn? Djinn???). Someone reviewing the movie Silverado once called it Cuisinartistry, but this is Cuisinartistry in spades.

I’ll have more to say about this later, but it’s late now and i need to think about it. Certainly the audience seemed to like it – there was applause at the end. But if you know anything about mythology this film leaves you scratching your head. My 12 year old daughter MilliCal kept saying “Well, that’s not right!” throught the picture.

I felt it is a wasted opportunity, and that the movie is just a half-ass attempt. The whole show felt it was written by three or four different writers without consulting each other. Plot points are left hanging in the air and resolved at the last minute.

The biggest problem is that there are so many plot points but so little development. The ragtag of soldiers following Perseus are faceless individual, and the attempt to follow war movies just fall flat.

Then there are is the prophecy “You will die, Perseus!” My friend burst out laughing at this point, because everyone will eventually die. But I was more concerned with that at no point in movie, was Perseus in any threat of dying. The Scorpion King has a scene where the sorceress peered into the future and actually saw the lead dying, and later in the movie, he was in the very same situation; but of course the vision is about something else all together, not about the Scorpion King dying.

Perseus’ step-father is also another undeveloped point (it also begs the question if Hades want Perseus dead so badly, why don’t he just kill him in person?). It felt like a way to add a flesh and blood antagonist to the movie.

Not to mention the hunters that follow the group. What did they do is anything remotely significantly? The scorpion shield given to Perseus broke while fighting with the Medusa. The script could have asked for anything type of shield there. Worse, we don’t even get to see how good the shield was.

The Jin, or Djinn sorcerer is another plot point, and a lame attempt to send the message “we must put aside our difference and work together towards a common goal”. That the whole troop of Djinn left after the prophecy is mind blowing; that the sorcerer self-destructed is another…“why”? Maybe they are trying to go for a Saving Private Ryan feel. It just feels meaningless.

Who was that random lady besides the princess at the balcony scene anyway?

Io. Why was she watching Persus growing up?

Anyway, my biggest complain. Sam Worthington is better off as a marine or a in a modern/science-fic show. I cannot suspend my disbelief because he doesn’t look the part, at all. I always imagine Greek heroes to have flowing golden hair, tall slender body yet musclar, magificently handsome and with a bronze tan. That guy looked more like a time-traveler.

The pacing is also disjoint. I know that the old show have such sequences, but there is no sense of flow, contunity here. I can’t remember the scenes, but I was bored half-way.

The most WTF moment is when Io was stabbed behind. At the angle she was sitting. Yes, it was the last thing I was expecting, but “send in the ninjas!” doesn’t work all the time.

My husband and I saw it this afternoon. Meh, it entertained me, but doubt it will stay with me. I was a bit confused at all the changes that they made to the story. Poor Andromeda was practically a side character, and who the heck was Io? And at the end, was she still cursed with eternal life, or was there an implication she could grow old with Perseus?

I also could have sworn the Pegasus was white in the previews.

However, I really loved the reference to the first movie. “Just leave it!” Ha!

When Hades, who for some reason reminded me of John Travolta in Battlefield Earth, though I’m not sure why since I’ve never seen Battlefield Earth, crashed the party, he zeroed in on Perseus right before he left and said something, can’t remember what, that told everyone he was Zeus’s son.

I enjoyed the movie* while I was watching it, but I can’t defend it at all, other than, good special effects, and I just loved Io.

  • this could be for other reasons besides the special effects and Io:
  1. I saw it for free at a sneak preview

  2. I didn’t even go to the theater intending to see it. I had gone to see Waking Sleeping Beauty, a good documentary about Disney animation, coming back from the brink of disaster following years of really bad and/or badly-received films, then after The Black Cauldron, coming back with a series of popular and highly-regarded films like The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King. When it was over, I went down to the lobby and they had just let up the people in line for the Clash preview. I asked the women taking passes if they had any extras, you never know, and they said that the screening was probably going to be full, that they wouldn’t be able to tell until right before the movie started. I asked if I could hang around and if there were extra seats at the start of the movie, would it be possible that they might let me up? They said, you can hang around if you want to, no guarantees. I said, great, thanks!

I hung around, reading, then a couple of minutes before the screening was scheduled to start one of them went into the theater to count empty seats. She came back and told me and a few others who were waiting that it was pretty full, but there were some empty seats, so we could go on up. I assumed that I’d get a really horrible seat, but when I went in, the entire front row was empty! I always sit front row center anyway, so I got the same seat as if I had had an advance screening pass, gotten there 3 hours early and waited in line like everyone else (there were several people there waiting in line when I went in to Waking Sleeping Beauty).

So yeah, I was in a REALLY good mood. That almost certainly colored my view of the movie.

Oh, and the scorpions. Damn those scorpions were bad ass! They were badass when they were fighting, and THEN they turned into pack animals/caravans! That was cool.

Is the mechanical owl still in the remake? If not, that kills any lingering desire I have to see it.

Saw it today, the original was better and that’s not saying much. The original made some changes to mythology but this one practically rewrote Greek mythology. As someone who reads about myths for fun it really ticked me off. As someone else here already pointed out there are plenty of interesting stories in Greek myths so there was no reason to take it so far off base.

Although I did get a laugh out of pointing out that Hades had broken out with a case of Harpies.

Leaper: Bubo is literally tossed aside. Perseus takes him out of a chest in the armory and asks, “What’s this?” Someone barks, “Leave it!” and Perseus obediently puts him back.
I was 4 when the original came out, and I loved it. So as you can probably guess, I wish I hadn’t seen this remake.

I liked black Pegasus, and the witches and Medusa were well-executed. Io was a better-developed interest than Andromeda for Perseus, so I liked that change. Hades was great, and even Calibos was impressive. But everything else was terrible.

My main beef was they made 50 people and their mothers accompany Perseus in his mission. This is bad because it neuters Perseus, who never has to be exceptionally smart or strong with this bunch of people helping him, and it changes the tone of his mission. With the choice between an impossible long-shot (killing the Kraken) and being destroyed by the Kraken, everyone in Argos figures they’re fucked no matter what and no one helps him. But with his little crew of soldiers, tactical advisors, and self-destructing djinn medic, it doesn’t seem so hard anymore.

That How-to-Kill-Medusa-For-Dummies lesson Io gave him? Lame. None of it was necessary or needed. And that stupid “Listen for the sound of her muscles moving!” bullshit? What about her goddamn rattle and batshit-crazy laugh?

This movie was really really schlocky and cheesy, much more so than I thought it would be. I didn’t think it would going to be this bad, so part way through the film I told my brain to take a hike and was able to enjoy the rest of the film reasonably. I’m sad about that, I really am, because with such a rich history of myth and creatures, a better film should have come out of this

I think when Hades sucked all the other soldiers into his body but not Perseus, he recognized them. Then he said something about his father, referring to Zeus. Yeah, it was kind of a stretch, but it’s about the only sublety this whole film had

What is up with the suicide bomber Djinn? Just because he’s middle-eastern doesn’t mean he’s a terrorist!

And did anyone else think the leader of the band (I don’t know his name), the Captain as I call him, looks like The Rock from 15 years in the future? Skinnier, but with the same facial structure? Maybe I’m losing it…

Last, I can pinpoint the exact moment when I gave up on the film being good and just learned to like what it gave us. Right before they board Charon across the river Styx, somebody says “But he only ferries the dead!” Then, for some reason, the other captain guy, the old one, draws out his sword and yells “ANY VOLUNTEERS???” Like, could the writers be any more obvious? He could have replaced that line with “NOW I’M GOING TO MAKE A FUNNY! LAUGH!” Ugh, terrible. It’s almost as bad as Storm’s line in the first X-Men movie, the one about lightning