Classic old "horror" movies aren't scary --were they ever?

I’ve always loved horror and monster movies. My earliest memories include trips to the drive-in movies with my folks to see* Jack The Giant Killer* and King Kong Versus Godzilla, and staying awake until the end of the movie both times , just about as thrilled and delighted as a three- or four- or five-year old could be at the spectacle of people being menaced by monsters, and the greatest moments of my young life were the Saturday nights I stayed up late to see The Mole People and The Thing That Couldn’t Die the same year I started school. And, of course, I was a dedicated fan of Famous Monsters Of Filmland magazine from the first copy I got my hands on. It was from the hallowed pages of Uncle Forry’s puns-and-pix-packed testament that I, like many a fright-happy kid back then, was first apprised of the scary-movie canon and the classic monsters – Frankenstein, Dracula, the Mummy and the Wolfman. Like any good little zealot, I knew to revere the Universal pantheon even before I’d made their acquaintance first-hand.

Then I actually got to see the classics myself. And while my faith wasn’t exactly shaken by what I’d seen…nor was I. It wasn’t that I didn’t enjoy the venerated Universal thrillers, or some of them anyway, but there wasn’t anything about them which scared me, even as a grade=school kid. As a matter of fact, I found some of them --notably the Bela Lugosi/Tod Browning *Dracula * and both versions of the Mummy --somnolent, and all of them tame.

Years passed, and I saw many more horror movies, and some of them scared the crap out of me just wonderfully. But I’d come back now and then to the much-revered Universal and RKO canon on occasion. And I started to wonder: did even the original audience for these things ever think they were actually scary and horriffic? :dubious: And if they did, what on Earth was the matter with people back then, to make them such scaredy-cats? :

Don’t get me wrong; there’s much to enjoy about the 'horror" movies of the 1930s and '40s. The first two Frankenstein movies are visually incredible and as atmospheric as all get-out, and Boris Karloff’s Monster is a truly awesome characterization (Bride of Frankenstein is especially rich in bizarre and touching and splendid-to-behold elements.) But from what I’ve read of the original reaction, his appearance was thought almost too frightening for audiences to bear, back then. The same was said of Henry Hull’s make-up as the titular man-beast in Werewolf of London, who looks more like an extra hirsute bum to me, besides having fangs. The rest of the crew --Lon Chaney’s longer-lasting lycanthrope, Khais and especially Lugosi as the sanguinary Count of the Carpathians – are actually something closer to comical than frightening to behold. Furthermore, the storylines of the old horrors seem devoid of frightening elements; the action tends to be tame (I’m sure the much-stricter censorship of the time, which effectively suppressed realistic gore and violence, is largely to blame for this aspect), and the vaunted thrills and chills…just fail to thrill and chill. :frowning: And of course, the denoument was compulsory hence predictable: good always prevailed, evil was inevitably punished, the hero and his fair maid lived, and bland quotidian order was always restored by the end credits; audiences knew it would be so before they even took their seats in the theatre --and knowing this, how could they actually be frightened?

Of course, the era I came up in had less restriction on what could be seen in movies, so maybe I’m jaded. And there were definitely a few flicks made in the same era which are still effectively creepy and frightening, which exceptions to the rule I’ll address in another post. Nonetheless, it still amazes me that people in the early-to-mid-20th were apparently so much easier to scare, and it still baffles me to guess why.

My mom reports being terrified of Bela’s Dracula.

Did you see these classics on TV or in a movie theatre? Seeing these “monsters” 40 feet wide is much more viscreal than seeing them 32 inches wide.

Also I believe audiences were much more adept at identifieing with the characters of yesteryear. There was a lot less action than there is today. Scripts depended on dialog and ideas more than todays writing. There are few movies of today that rely on dialog to convey the horror of the stituation. (“Silence of the Lambs” is one of them. Very little action. And you KNOW Lector is scary bad before he ever moves a muscle.)

The movie’s already been mentioned, but my dad reports being unable to sleep for several days after watching Dracula. :dubious:

-FrL-

My father, whose name was Archie, was a youngster when the original King Kong was released. According to my grandma, Archie nagged and begged and pleaded to see this much-ballyhooed movie. Finally the parents caved in, although they were concerned about the frightful nightmares that might be stirred by the sight of Kong. Since grandma had no interest in such things, she sent grandpa to the theater with the kid. Both grandpa and young Archie enjoyed King Kong immensely.

Archie slept peacefully afterwards, but in the middle of the night my grandpa awoke screaming “The ape! The ape!”

A good question.

Some other speculations:

Is it possible that having read and heard so much about those old classics spoiled them for you? So that when you finally saw them for yourself, you knew what was coming, knew what to expect, and it killed the suspense and the scare?

Is it possible that some of the conventions of older films, like being in black and white, which their original audiences would have taken for granted and not really noticed, got in the way for you and affected your suspension of disbelief?

Yes, indeed! No doubt about it. I saw most of the horror movies of the 30s and 40s shortly after they came out and I can assure you, they were scary, even though they were not as explicit and bloody as today’s slasher movies. I didn’t want to go out after dark for weeks after seeing some of them. For some reason, I always found the mummy movies the scariest, although the one that scared me the most, even though I was a teenager by then, was the original The Thing From Another World.

When I finally saw The Exorcist several years ago, I was left baffled by what the fuss was all about. This was what so many people said scared the bejeebus out of them? I found it quite boring.

Yep, we’re jaded. I didn’t see the classics until they came to TV in the 50’s, and they were scary, even that slow-moving Mummy.

Things ramped up sorta gradually, didn’t they? The Omen and The Exorcist were scary in the 70’s, then the first Nightmare on Elm Street, Night of the Living Dead, Friday the 13th, etc.

If kids today saw movies in their chronological order, I think they’d still be scared.

Also, the classic Universal monsters are pop-culture images now; even if you don’t see the actual movies, you’ve seen those images so often that they lose their emotional impact. And compared to audiences in the 1930’s, we have such a daily torrent of visual entertainment available to us that I think we’ve become desensitized in general.

If I am ever in charge of a child’s movie watching, they’ll see the 1920s German silents by kindergarten (except for NOSFERATU- the child will only see that walking phallic rat after Lugosi but before Lee), then the Universal monsters,
around ten- he’ll get the early (pre-titty) Hammers & the AIP-Poe/Lovecraft-Price&Co stuff, about 16, he’ll get the R-rated Hammers on up thru Mike Meyers & Jason & Freddy & by high school graduation, he’ll get Re-Animator!

I think so, but just like old comedies aren’t really funny today, old horror movies don’t seem as scary today. Other than the classic monster films, the early pyschological horror films like Les Diabolique and Repulsion are definitely still scary today.

You had a copy of the first *Famous Monsters Of Filmland *?
:dubious:

My mom reports being scared by The Exorcist

My dad says the original The Haunting of Hill House did it for him.

Would most of the people watching have the underlying mindset that the good guys alway won? Even if they were fairly familiar with movies, they would be more familiar with this little thing called life, where the good guys were not guaranteed to win. We bring our underlying real life into the theater, too, but our lives have more safety nets built in. We’re more comfortable allowing problems to be someone else’s problems. We disconnect more easily, especially when bored.

Which brings me to something that a communications major once told me. The number of cuts (changes in point of view) per minute in a scene has risen dramatically over the decades. Original audiences got scenes that were more like attending a play. Too many cuts made a scene seem frantic to them. It was hard to follow.

We’re used to more cuts per minute and watching a scene with fewer cuts per minute, especially when the FS budget is low, bores us. (I also have a dim memory of reading an article stating that children watching videos with a lot of cuts had their activity level boosted [presented as more likely to engage in violent behavior - but calling it violet was probably blowing it out of proportion] so it’s possible that the change in cinematic procedures leaves us with a feeling of lesser threat.)

So, yeah. The movies were scary when they came out. I remember, as a child, being scared by The Crawling Eye, which was laughably boring when I was an adult. Most of my boredom came from following the dialog, though. My idea of reasonable behavior for an adult has changed a bit. The characters seemed like cardboard cutouts once I was grown, which made it hard to connect.

What you must remember is that images like the movies’ Frankenstein and Dracula were new at one time. these images are such a familiar part of popular culture that you were probably too young to remember the first time you saw them.

Think of what it must have been like to be among the first people ever to see the monster costume and makeup job done on Boris Karloff. Prosthetics were in their infancy, and it had been years since Lon Chaney.

Both Chaney’s Phantom and Karloff’s Frankenstein’s Monster make-ups were kept under tight wraps prior to the films’ openings so those faces would be much more shocking then than today when we see them on postage stamps, toys and ect. But we’ve also been exposed to more horrific images and monsters as the years have gone by, so I think it is harder for film makers to come up with shocking images, or situations for that matter.

That was definitely the case with me when I saw Frankenstein for the first time. Even though I was a kid, the Monster’s big reveal about a third of the way in had no impact on me since he had long been a familiar figure in popular culture. In fact, rather than being scary, I thought by the movie’s end the Monster was rather pitiable (which is probably what the director James Whale was ultimately aiming for anyway).

I watched “Psycho” on video in the mid-eighties. Friends and I rolled our eyes at the parts that were supposed to be super-scary, but it was a good film overall.

However, the late StormMother told me that she’d seen the film in the theater when it came out in 1960 along with a gaggle of her friends. She said it scared the hell out of them.

“Psycho”? Good film, but marginally scary. “The Legend of Hell House”? (1973) Entertaining, but not frightening. “The Thing” - meh. “The Blob” - it was a little funny. “Godzilla” (the original 1950’s film) was good, but not scary.

“The Exorcist”? I still can’t watch it all the way through to this day. Too frightening. :smiley:

For me, as a kid, I think it was Premature Burial that freaked me out. When they opened th coffin and found scratch marks from bloodied fingers on the inner lid it scared the crap outta me. Next to that, Invasion of the Body Snatchers had me looking under the bed for weeks.