http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MK03Dj02.html Last paragraph says over 900.
I do not actually know what Magiver agrees or disagrees with. I would personally have a problem if they sat-in that cafe which has nothing to do with the 1% though. Sitting in BofA lobby, I would still feel bad about the average tellers but I would understand them as casualties in the bigger picture. Privates suffering in a war against the generals.
As I see it, the protesters are not comparable at all to the sit-ins, civil rights era heroic movement by heroic people they are not. Instead of occupying a place that would lead to them being provocative and in your face, change this or we will never move, every person you arrest will bring 3 more to take my place, I am willing to sacrifice for what I believe, they instead choose a private park and upset the very people they claim they represent. Like when my parachute fails to open because I am not quick enough to hit my spacebar, Epic Fail.
What do you mean “a ‘possible’ layoff”?
Are you saying that the news source(I think it was CBS News) made up the story?
Please explain your reasoning.
No, it says there** have been** over 900.
Why did you choose to inflate the number? Is the actual number not impressive enough for you? Wouldn’t it be better to stick to facts than make up a number?
Occupy Richmond ends not with a bang but a whimper.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/police-use-bulldozers-break-occupy-richmond
His “21” number comes from ONE establishment in ONE city—New York. It seems likely to me that that establishment is not an isolated instance. So even if there is just the one, as you say there are 1,000 groups of idiots out there. So, somewhere around 21,000 jobs have been lost thanks to you and you self-appointed World Saviors.
Feel free to quibble with the math.
As was pointed out, the layoffs were not due to the protestors, but to the actions of the jack-booted police thugs. But you aren’t interested in the facts, just your authoritarian government over-reaction to peaceful protest.
And why, pray tell, has a police presence been necessary?
Come one, I just know you can get this one.
Nobody’s constitutional right to assemble would be abridged unless there’s something special about using a communal park for your own personal tent city that’s relevant. Parks and streets are used all the time for protests. Cities issue permits for them so the space remains available to everybody for it’s intended use. For example, in my city the tent people are occupying the exact spot that has been used for concerts, political “rail stops”, KKK rallies and every other group that took the time to get a permit. At no time was any of these groups issued a shanty town permit.
Where is the confusion here?
Sure, they had no other choice but to barricade the neighborhood, the impact on local business was just collateral damage.
In Detroit there is no police presence. In lots of cities there is no police presence. There is when authorities want confrontation. If you were in charge there would be daily battles.
I told you people long ago, before the first confrontation the cops would claim"someone threw a bottle’. That is police talk for lets teach them a lesson. It is BS.
The occupations generate business. They get donations and spend them on neighborhood businesses. There was 2800 bucks worth of pizza ordered in NYC early in the occupation by phone. They had orders from people as far away as Egypt. Is that business? Is that money?
magellan01, Magiver do you condemn the Boston Tea Party?
Clearly it was illegal, and violated property as you say about these protests. Do you condemn an icon of American history?
That’s funny. I was just going to post something about compartmentalizing a debate in an attempt to slice up a logical argument.
You’re trying to take an iconic moment of American history (which consisted of criminal activity) and applying it to this situation in an attempt to justify it. To answer your question, no I would not have approved of the destruction of private property if I were living in that time period just as I wouldn’t approve of someone destroying your property today for similar reasons.
Did you think that because something is taught as part of American history that it is approved of in the context of the act?
So I’ll ask your question back to you. Is it OK if I destroy your property to get out my message?
Is it OK to disturb your neighborhood to get out my message?
Is it OK if I and a thousand of my friends take away your neighborhood parks to use for our own political purposes or pitch tents on the public sidewalks in your neighborhood?
Are you saying that America is ruled by a foreign-born monarch who cares about the needs of a foreign power not of the American people?
I didn’t realize you were a birther.
That’s simply not true. They keep a couple of cars by it to monitor the circus (appropriately named park in this case)
Detroit Free Press “On most days, a police car or two sits on the edge of the park, monitoring the crowd.”
The fact that a city chooses not to enforce laws for a political rally is even more disturbing considering the ramifications of it. How would you like it if David Duke (a supporter of WSO) brings a thousand of his friends to your city takes up residence in public spaces?
Again, 21 jobs lost in NYC. And the fact that a bunch of moon babies had their pizza delivered to a park rather than their parent’s basement is irrelevant. People eat food, film at 11. If the protestors did indeed incur additional munchies by way of their camping activities then the taxes from the 2800 pizzas wouldn’t begin to cover the loss of the 21 jobs or the million dollars spent on law enforcement.
“The NYPD has spent millions on overtime related to the goings-on in Zuccotti Park”.
The police should not have done that. They did not spend millions in Detroit.
The pizzerias around Zuccotti park have hired 22 people to deliver pizzas to the park and to cook them.
Cite?
In this hypothetical, is my neighborhood in Iraq?
The Boston Tea Party is a celebrated part of American history. As evidenced by the fact current conservative segments of modern society style themselves after it.
Since you condemn it, do you condemn groups that celebrate it?
to answer your questions. Do I support property destruction? In the situations that justify it. What situations? I freely admit that’s a judgement call.
Yes you may disturb my neighborhood and parks if you feel you have a message worthy of it. The Occupiers are facing bitter winter because they believe in their message so much. That’s called Free Speech.
Ibn Warraq, the non sequitur store called. It said banana. Your argument is invalid.
Yet peace prevails, despite the lack of police barracades that destroy neighborhood businesses.