Client breaks off working relationship w/designer. Should she pay for unpaid (and unused) work?

Okay, I’m so livid now I could spit venom, but I’ll try to keep this as reasonable as possible.

I have, or had, a long-time client for my services – copywriting, editorial services, web design work, general dogsbody for any web updates or Facebook / Twitter updates, strategizing, you name it; I was pretty much second-in-command in everything but title. She’s always been extremely happy with my work, to the point where she’d sometimes pay me extra above what I was charging (which goes to show that I was probably charging way too little).

Anyway, due to one long and very boring story, we had a fall-out over some editorial errors I missed in one of her products (whereas 99% of the rest of the billions of things I was working on for her were perfect). I tried to apologize but she would have none of it. In my defense, while I certainly acknowledge the mistake, the schedule she’d put me on was absolutely crazy… I was doing ALL of the abovementioned tasks (editing, copywriting, webpage designing/editing, graphic design, PR, etc.) in the space of three or four weeks, for four different publications. Normally we’d only produce two publications. However, I did make the mistakes, and I owned up to them and apologized. But she was still pissed off, obviously.

After a few weeks I decided well, I need to get paid for all the work I’ve done for her since December. So I submitted it as usual, though I specifically didn’t include any of the work I’d done relating to that one product that had some errors in it. This was about 20 hours worth of work that I was discounting her, mind you, and by far most of the text was fine. But I felt I’d made an error that had cost her some reprinting money, so it was only fair that I’d not ask to be paid for those particular services. That’s fair, right?

Now, a few months earlier, she’d asked me to redo one of her websites. I agreed, she sent me a 50% deposit for the overall job ($1250), and I eventually produced 10 mockups, tweaking them all as she requested, and she felt that we were pretty near what she wanted.

The invoice I submitted recently was assuming we’d no longer be working together – her lack of contact in three weeks was pretty telling; this is someone who calls me at 1AM if she needs something done. So anyway, in coming up with that final invoice, in addition to the freebie I was giving her on the editorial work she wasn’t happy with, I also figured she shouldn’t be charged for the full 50% deposit on the potential website redesign mentioned above. However, considering the tremendous amount of work those ten mockups represented, I still felt I’d earned some of the money she’d paid me. So I lopped $600 (about half of the deposit) off the bill, accepting the other half as what I’d charge for the 10 mockups.

Okay. Well, she hasn’t paid me despite my sending several invoices. And by the way, all of the material on her site that I’ve done for her since December is still unpaid for – which means it’s still technically under my copyright. (We’ve no contract that assigns copyright to her.)

Today she finally responded with a lengthy email invoking her lawyer and said that since she wasn’t going to go through with any of my mockups, she wanted a refund of the full $1250 deposit. Also, she was charging me $500 for the work that had to be redone due to my error.

Now I can semi-understand the latter stance, although this is utterly not the way she’s ever acted before when mistakes (from other workers) have cost her money. But of course what she’s done with other contractors is immaterial, I know that. I was just aghast, because I thought I was being rather ethical as it was in not charging her for this material with which she was displeased in the first place, but apparently that was’t good enough.

However, what really raises my blood pressure is her refusing to pay anything for the work I’ve already done on the website redesign mockups.

And as I said, I didn’t have a freakin’ contract for this job yet, which was STUPID and DUMB and IRRESPONSIBLE and everything y’all are gonna lob at me. I know this. I will never ever ever work without a contract again. So please try not to lecture me too much, although I totally deserve it. :smiley: Sadly we’d been working together for such a long time that contracts became one oft those things that I let slip by me. Which is ridiculous and lazy and again, irresponsible. I know.

(One plus side: the lack of a contract assigning copyright over to the client means that everything I’ve done is still mine, according to US Copyright law. Actually, even if we had a contract, everything would still be mine – if we’d had a contract, she’d be in noncompliance by not going through with her part of the contract, so the contract wouldn’t be considered “executed.” Or so I’ve been told by legal-er heads than mine.)

However, let’s leave that aside for the moment. The main thrust is that I put in many, many hours of work on those mockups, and she’d had every intention of paying me for them until our relationship went sour. She’d never said anything about starting from scratch.

**The opinion I need from you guys is: do you think she should pay a portion of the deposit for the work and hours I’ve put into this design job, or should she no longer have to pay for these designs since she’s suddenly decided she’s not going to use them? ** As I said I was absolutely willing to give back 50% of the deposit, but I felt, and still feel, that i should be paid for the time and effort I’ve put into those ten mockups that I edited to her wishes. This wasn’t some spec job for pete’s sake.

Ugh, sorry for the length of this. Believe it or not I’m a very good editor of other people’s words… it’s my own loggorhea I can’t seem to control!

Also, please assume that any mistakes i leave in here aren’t indicative of my own prowess as an editor. I’m still angry and am typing very fast and, well, I don’t feel like going over this a billion times.

(BTW I do have a lawyer, thank God, I’m just waiting to hear back from him.)

Take down all the stuff you’ve done for her online that you still have copyrights for and call it even. :slight_smile:

Heh. Believe me, I understand that instinct, and totally had my moments of temptation. But it’d be considered computer interference (I forget the term) and could get me into serious legal trouble.

Even ignoring the legality, practically speaking, I don’t have access anymore. Which, by the way, is how I learned I was fired. Well, wait. No, the first announcement that I was fired came from one of her writers who called me in a frenzy saying “I can’t believe you’re not working for ___ anymore! What am I going to do, you’re the only person I trust!”

Mentally I was all, “well, I guess ___ announced it to her writers before she told me. Real classy, lady.” Also, cowardly.

But sadly? Not surprising.

Anyway getting back to your idea: that’s what Cease & Desist letters and DMCA takedown notices are for. And I am totally willing to go there if she pushes me.

My experience as a design/production freelancer has always been that I’m paid for my time, whether or not the client chooses to move forward with any of the concepts. The thought that you shouldn’t be paid for your work just because the client decided not to use it really winds me up.

She lawyered up, you need to do the same.

I know, seriously. It’s absurd. A bone of contention is that she really wants the PSD templates that I’ve created over the years for her. But we have no cntract (again, for once this is kind of a plus) that states she’s paying for the PSDs as well as the graphic output. I’ve never made it a habit of giving her the PSDs. I mean, I have no use for them, practically speaking, but she’s insisting on my handing them over before she pays me.

So first, these files aren’t hers in the first place. Second, it’s downright insulting that she’s assuming I wouldn’t give her the damn files after she pays me. (What use are they to me?) In fact I’d said as much in my invoice, rather politely, before she’d even asked about them – I said after the invoice was taken care of, to help with the transition to whoever-her-new-designer-is, I’d pack the files up in a flashdrive and send them to her. That’s me being nice, for fuck’s sake, and she turns it against me and claims I’m holding “her” files “hostage.” Now she’s just added insult to injury.

That’s when I decided that I will NEVER give her those files unless she pays me first, period. Honestly, I’m a pretty easy person to get along with and am super-flexible and willing to go above and beyond the call for my clients (that’s why FormerClient and I had a pretty good working relationship over the past decade or so of her crazy behavior, including refusing to create an editorial calendar so I and her other staffers could know in advance what we’re working on!) but once you take advantage of my good nature and turn it against me? I can be a hellacious vindictive bitch.

I can just imagine if someone ordered one of her products and got it customized, then half-way through cancelled the order… would my client give her all her money back? Like HELL she would.

Edited to add for rachellelogram, since we simulposted – read the last line of my OP. I’ve lawyered up, thank goodness. :slight_smile:

Your invoice seemed reasonable to me. She owes you for the work you did that you didn’t make mistakes on. My father usually asks for a portion of the agreed price, I think… half, or 3/4s, or whathaveyou. I don’t think he always gets it though. Some people are unprofessional.

Sorry, I missed that you already retained an attorney. If that’s the case, you may not want to talk about this online. I know it’s not a criminal trial or anything, but still… for an ongoing legal matter, it is better to only talk to and take advice from your attorney.

Anyway, disclaimers aside: I’m no lawyer, but it sounds like you both have claims against each other. If your mistakes caused her to have to redo some work (and she can prove it), then she may have a claim against you for the cost of that work–may. But you have a (what sounds like bigger) claim against her for unpaid work. I sincerely doubt she can just refuse to pay you for the mockups, although she’ll posture that way as a bargaining chip. The copyright issue is just another crab in the craw… I wouldn’t venture to speculate how *that *mess is going to play out.

All she’s done with this action is guarantee that you have no reason to negotiate by lowering your rates, though. Maybe you’ll end up coming out on top, after all. She sounds like a proper bitch. Sorry things went south for you guys. :frowning: It’s kinda like the end of a real relationship. You want closure, you want to know why, but you shouldn’t plan on asking for or getting it. Still, you have every right to be pissed. Maybe your work was TOO good, and she got used to expecting no less than perfection from you. Or maybe you could talk to the writer who contacted you and see if he knows why…

Very true, and good advice. I’m changing some details to protect the guilty/innocent but of course if this is gonna proceed further I will invoke the Cone of Silence.

Ha! Yeah, God only knows. Honestly I think just the hint that I know my rights and am actually lawyered up (she thinks I’ve no access to a lawyer since I haven’t used one in the past re: our work agreements) , and am “considering” a C&D and DMCA takedown, I think this will go away pretty damn fast and I’ll see a reasonable settlement. She knows how effective DMCA takedowns are, as she’s used them on her competitors.

Anyway, I do agree she has a case for the $500 she claims is the cost of my error, and I can appreciate that there’s some negotiating here to be done. I’m pretty forthright when it comes to mistakes and I usually do my damndest to make things right again.

It’s more those mockups that are sticking in my craw like a very pointy, um, thing. I wonder if she decides not to pursue the case against me, if her attorney will just shrug his shoulders and say “oh! Well, if you’re not going ahead with it, then of course I won’t bill you for the time I’ve spent on the case. No biggie.” I’m not saying what I do is anything like what an attorney does, but still…

It’s just so petty and vindictive. And you’re right, it is a real relationship that’s broken down beyond measure. That hurts, and of course I’m vacillating between rage at her and self-recrimination for my role in this mess, and guilt for her having to redo the publications, and then back to anger again for her just being such an incredibly short-sighted ingrate.

(But seriously, can you imagine a magazine without an editorial calendar?!!! How fucked up is that? Yet that’s basically what we were working with. She would never give me any set dates or deadlines no matter how hard I pleaded and insisted. Everything was up to her whims. I think it’s a combination of control-freak and paranoia… as if even pinning her down with what articles she wanted to publish next issue would make her vulnerable because I or one of the other staffers would almost certainly sell this solid-gold idea to her competitors… :rolleyes: or at least that’s what I assume she was afraid of.)

I’m kinda glad to be rid of her in that respect. She was a well-paying client generally, and I did like the work quite a lot, but the ulcers and stress will not be missed.

Oh and I forgot to thank you for your support, Elyanna. I’m glad to see I’m not totally off the mark in feeling that these mockups should be paid for. Sorry that your dad got the shaft too. I guess this is all part of the risk of freelancing. Benefits: go to work in pajamas. Pitfalls: Don’t get paid.

Right now I’d give up the pajamas for the check! But that’ll fade and I’m sure one day soon I’ll remember why I decided to go it alone.

While you probably shouldn’t talk about this any more (check with your lawyer), doesn’t mean we can’t pitch in.

The one thing that sticks out to me is that you didn’t charge her anything for the work where you made a mistake. And now she’s asking for $500 additional? What did your standard contract say about your responsibility for errors (assuming you didn’t have one for this work either)? If you had charged her for the work, and she wanted a refund of some portion of it (to cover her costs for correcting it), that would be one thing - but to get that (mostly correct ) work for free and then ask for money on top of that? I can’t see that flying in either a jury or arbitration environment.

Did your invoice have a $0 line listed for that work?

No, 'cause that would’ve been the smart thing to do! :smack: I did email her along with the invoice and explain that I wasn’t charging for the work for which she wasn’t satisified, but that’s not really the best proof in the world.

But yeah, Folacin, that’s what bugs me as well. I mean, of all the issues I have with this wench, the charging me for an extra cost that I partially caused (there were other editors at work too who missed the errors too, but the buck stops with me) is my least beef; I understand her wanting recompense if she put in money due to my mistake.

But as you say, I did offer compensation – all the editing (both line edits and developmental editing, not to mention literally rewriting several sections to make them more cohesive) – all that was certainly in the $250 range, though really it should’ve been higher but I’d unfortunately established a pattern of undercharging her and was never quite tough enough to raise my rates). So what she’s basically trying to do is double-dip, have it both ways. Frankly if she insists on charging me for that $500, then the editorial work goes back on the invoice. I’m not paying $750 for an (alleged) $500 error.

Really, it’s just nothing more than her being punitive and petty, and probably trying to make me flustered and guilty, which would usually result in my bending over backwards to make her happy. She knows me too well, since that usually is how I would’ve reacted.

But sometimes, once ever seven years, when the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars, I manage to find a backbone and stand up against people treating me like crap. She just got unlucky because the way my stars are aligning, it’s about time for some ass-kicking.