Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, Orin and Hillary, fight fight fight

Orin, you are a dick.

Um, yeah. Much more important than say, the 80% black and hispanic prison population, or the fact that you people are spending money you don’t have for programs we don’t need like that joke of a prescription plan that will randomly select who lives and who dies for a year.

Reap the whirlwind? Reap the fucking whirlwind? We are already reaping the whirlwind, you reprobate blackguard, of both shrinking liberty and shrinking security thanks to your reckless failure to oversee the CI fucking A. While you were fretting over who should be allowed to fuck whom, a gang of hapless thugs was conning a rattlebrained chief executive into believing that Saddam Hussein was on his way up the Potomac with a Navy of row boats to blow up the White House and scalp all our women. And don’t be smug, jackass. They fooled you, too.

Idiot. First of all, 4 to 3 is not unilateral, it is quadrilateral. Second, you don’t seem to mind judges determining who should be President of the United States. You don’t mind Republican media whores disenfranchising whole lists of people whose names are similar to names of felons. I haven’t heard you fretting over Maine’s Supreme Judicial Court 4-3 decision that shields government from tort claims. You seem to like it when they determine a sociology that places magistrates high above and out of reach of the riff-raff fucking citizens.

Halle-fucking-lujah. Just sit down and shut the fuck up.
Hillary, you are a dick.

No, it isn’t. Fuck you. You are not responsible for determining whether adults may enter into voluntary contractual agreements. You are not responsible for determining what benefits they may or may not enjoy from government. This is a power, not a responsibility, that you have usurped for yourselves. Jump through his hoop and you can not be forced to testify against someone; otherwise, you’re fucked.

Oh, fucking vomit. It is in fact a dying, gasping, extraordinary victim of human desecration that, because of people like you and Orin, has failed to protect our citizens. That’s because you have piled on top of it millions of laws, regulations, and orders that have broken its back. Compliance with the demands you make of citizens requires the spells of wizards and the deceit of con artists, legal professionals who can manipulate your rules to the advantage of whoever hires them. And as for our rights being granted by your scribbles, a great big hearty fuck you. The Constitution was made for man, not man for the Constitution. I reject your claim to own me from the moment I was born, just as any slave rejects the legitimacy of his master’s authority. Oh, and again, fuck you.

Well, damn. Unfortunate for us, I reckon, that we were not born as pieces of paper with scribbles on us. Perhaps then you would have sworn to protect us.

Solemn indeed. What you do not seem to grasp is that if you can manipulate it now, they can manipulate it later. If our rights do indeed come from these scribbles, then our rights can be erased at the whim of your grandchildren. Just like your husband, you’re treating gays as though they were laboratory experiments. This move might not be politically expedient, therefore let us give pause to contemplate the consequences. If you truly believed in the holiness of the Constitution and its ability to free future generations from your tyranny, you would, rather than merely oppose Orin’s amendement, propose one of your own — one that is in the spirit of the founders and fathers whom you quote: propose an amendment that limits the power of government specifically. How about, “Congress shall make no law establishing a definition of marriage or interfering in the free exercise thereof.”? You are pretending to be working toward something noble, when in fact you are content to do nothing while you watch a bill die that you know, and your opponent has admitted, has no chance of passage. Oh, how brave of you. I think I’ll speak out against a Constitutional amendment to legalize the mass murder of school children. And I’ll quote Benjamin Franklin to support my opposition. You feckless hack.

Oh. Well, thank you for not taking it away plank by plank for the common good. Sit the fuck down.

You’re not a very up person…

Maybe this will cheer you up:

Senator Barbara Boxer On the Federal Marriage Amendment

Too bad they don’t do duels anymore; the whole country would be better off if Hillary & Hatch just shot each other. Heck, all Senators & Representives should be required to carry firearms - it would sure make CSPAN more interesting.

Lib, Sometimes I think you are going to end up being a very cranky old man. There is nothing to suggest that your world is going to end up more to your liking.

Yeah, gah. What was I thinking. Strangers a thousand miles away can determine what makes me happy better than I can. So, if my name were Senator Horseshit instead of Straightdoper Liberal, you wouldn’t mind if I imposed my plan on you.

Cite?

“The Chair recognizes Senator Horseshit.” Yeah, I like it. You get my vote.

Excellent rant, by the way. Much more enjoyable than that Al Gore lovefest.

Sometimes, I love my Senator.

Yeah, she’s terribly adorable. Like when she refers to terrorist attacks as accidents.
If you check the July 8, 2004 Congressional Record, page S7784, (go here, enter that page number and download the .pdf) you will find that the 3/11 attack in Madrid was a “rail accident” as far as Senator Boxer is concerned.

I am so fucking sick of irrelevant, ad hominem non sequiturs here in the pit. Lib especially has the honor of getting shit on from both sides since he is one of the very few members here without a partisan agenda. I have to ask: would you have even bothered to reply to this post if his username was “guest”? If yes then speak. If no then fuck the fuck off.

Ah, yes, Barabara Boxer representing Bora Bora (or was it Walla Walla)? :smiley:

Lib, that was fucking brilliant.

Especially…

…but the whole goddamn thing was great. I doff my cap to you.

[…moment of quite reflection…] Do you have any idea how good it makes a person feel to know that someone understands him? You are a kind and gentle man. God go with you.

Thanks. I do really like the amendment I suggested. Maybe eventually they can pass one that says, “Congress shall make no law obstructing peaceful honest people from pursuing their own happiness in their own way.”

I will be the first to admit Lib says some very foolish things from time to time.

He also posts some damned good stuff, and I think we’re better for the exchange.

Well, actually, Lib does have a partisan agenda, but it doesn’t happen to correspond to the agenda of the Republican or Democratic parties. He’s occasionally been quite vehement in his defense of the Libertarian Party, though he usually makes the distinction between libertarian priniciples (small “L”) and the party itself (big “L”), wholeheartedly defending the former, but being less absolute about the latter.

True nonpartisans are a rare breed, unless you’re willing to count “complete and utter apathy” as the hallmark of a nonpartisan.

Thank you Lib!

I don’t know why it’s so hard for most people to understand that I already have parents. I don’t need another Mommy (Democrats) or Daddy (Republicans).

I do fine on my own fuck you very much.

The Libertarian Party is merely the least of the evils that call themselves political parties. Like all the rest, the LP is brimming with its share of statists, Constitutionalists, and other politically motivated windbags. That’s why I left the party after only a brief membership long ago, though I do have friends who are members and even officers.

Senators, by nature of who they are (an elitist group of only 100 individuals who feel that they are “special” because of this arrangement), feel that they have to govern you, rather than represent you. Of course, the Senate was originally intended to be a buffer and protection against “whimsy” legislation that would naturally come up from the House of Representatives. But I digress - my real issue is this:

This statement absolutely pisses me off. It shows what a complete and utter lack of understanding this woman has for the constitution. The constitution doesn’t fucking grant shit. It does, where necessary, enumerate important rights, but for the most part it was supposed to be designed to assume that every possible right conceived is automatically the default condition. Once this important concept is forgotten, then the constitution is meaningless.
Hillary’s a fucking lawyer, and now a senator, and she just doesn’t get it…
Of course, since the default condition of our country is supposed to be that all rights are assumed, unless otherwise restricted for the common good (no shouting “fire” in a theater), then John Adams’ quote makes a lot more sense:
“This constitution is only adequate for a moral and upright people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.” (that’s probably paraphrased, but pretty close)

I think that would be the perfect ammendment, but just how many minutes do you think it would take them to water it down, “interpret” tons of exceptions to it, and then just plain ignore it altogether? My guess is about 1.