You’d have to be pretty determinedly off the grid to not be able to satisfy those.
It’s not just non-citizens either.
How would one know it is not broken if no one ever checked to see if it was working?
How about a few examples of voter fraud in general?
The '08 Franken/Coleman Senate race was investigated by Minnesota Majority; they found that 1,099 felons had voted in the race. Over 170 have been convicted with 50+ awaiting trial. This was a close race; a thousand felons could fraudulently have tipped it one way or the other.
An NAACP official in Mississippi is in jail for fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Same for two people in Indiana, one that was a candidate for Mayor.
James O’Keefe/Project Veritas easily obtaining ballots in DC claiming to be Bill Maher.
You realize the SC has upheld the Indiana voter ID law, with John Paul Stevens voting with the majority?
A Washington Post poll from July of 2012 shows 74% of Americans favor showing voter ID. This is pretty much within the margin of error for most recent polls on the subject. A 2013 Marist poll showed 73% of Democrats favoring Voter ID.
So…70+ % of Americans, including Democrats, are all in favor of trying to disenfranchise the poor and aged? Really?
I believe the disenfranchise idea isn’t really supportable. As has been pointed out, you can’t do much of anything in the US anymore without producing a photo ID. Just about all travel by plane/train/ship, cashing checks, driving cars, even applying for Government benefits require ID.
The idea it is an insurmountable obstacle just doesn’t fly, if you’ll pardon the pun.
Heller is revisionist?
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed ― unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (The Federalist, No. 46 at 243- 244) - James Madison
For those who are confused about the militia clause, this is how Madison originally proposed it. There’s no doubt the militia clause is intended as a subordinate clause.
"From the Madison Resolution, June 8, 1789.
Resolved, that the following amendments ought to be proposed by Congress to the legislatures of the states, to become, if ratified by three fourths thereof, part of the constitution of the United States…
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person…"
Heller is hardly revisionist; it’s purely originalist.
I’m not sure why racism still exists in todays world. Yet here we are trying to keep the people down that can’t afford voter ID.
Maybe the government should pay for ID’s like they do foodstamps. Seems like that could work. 10 bucks for an ID? Really, what is that when compared to paying for birf control?
Most Americans don’t realize how many people out there cannot fulfill the voter ID requirements. It’s a question of privilege; people are often blind to their own, and blind to others’ lack of privilege.
Besides, Republicans have openly stated that these voter-ID schemes are part of a broader plan to suppress Democratic turnout, in order to swing close elections their way.
Chances are, if you’ve made it to the ballot box on "other than government transportation "( even then you probably had a bus pass) you’ve already fulfilled it, but you still must show it in order to vote, that’s all we ask!
Government issued ID is not a problem, even a birth certificate should do, or a SS card , but just walking in and giving a name should not be enough!
Why?
Pretty simple really, voting is the most important thing you as one citizen can do to influence the entire world, verifying that you are who you are when you do that is not to much to ask for that power.
Buying a gun gives you the personel ability to effect your surroundings out to roughly a mile of your person , in order to do so, you must complete a background check, show ID and in some states wait five to seven days before taking possession of said fire arm,
Voting on the other hand gives you the ability to personally effect the entire world, it is not a constitutionally guaranteed right and yet you believe people should be able to do so without any checks and balances to verify that they are who they are , they represent their town/state/ district, and that they haven’t already voted!
Voting is far more dangerous than owning guns and far less protected, not to mention, my vote is not protected at all without some way to verify that your vote isn’t fraudulent ,ID solves that for the most part!
If voting isn’t a constitutional right then why does it matter if your vote is protected?
I’m still a touch unclear on this.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this is correct, then Congress could pass a law prohibiting people from voting. Let’s avoid discussion of protected classes and say the law is now “You may only vote in a general election if you voted in the primary election.”
Do you honestly believe that SCOTUS would uphold that as constitutional?
darth panda is kinda touchy w/ big words behind a computer …
my wife is in retail ( and they ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK ) and this is a fact
which i can careless ( because fighting behind a computer is senseless )
If your wife is as smart as you are, it’s no wonder she demands ID when it violates the merchant agreement.
its their policy ( and not hers ) and management said that it was a requirement
I think you mean “I was wrong.”
That would appear to be a their decision. Meanwhile the Post Office just accepted my credit card without ID. They only require it the card is unsigned or the card states to ask for ID.
I think the major retailers I have been to recently do much the same. They don’t have time for people to fuss through their wallets/purses.
Yeah, and it’s a violation of their agreement with the credit card company.
Your point is based on a faulty premise. The requirement to show ID is a company policy and one could get them sued (but probably won’t).
It has little to do with voting, and to the extent it is analogous, it fails. Congrats on making a bad point using faulty data.
So, national ID card, amirite?
Meanwhile, how about a few citations for the assertions above? I mean, I’m sure you’re describing these events perfectly accurately, but you know, formalities and all that.
Minnesota Majority is a nonprofit advocacy group whose stated goal was to get an initiative passed requiring voter ID. I’m sure their “investigation” and “findings” are completely impartial. Isn’t that good enough for you? 
Why does it matter that your vote is not?
I guess you didn’t read my statement or chose to,ignore the reason already posted!
Why does it matter if I show ID to buy a gun? Yet owning guns is constitutionally protected.
I’m not asking for my vote to be protected in anyway other than it has a fair chance at counting as one, the only way I know to do so is to make sure no one else votes more than once or that the dead don’t continue to vote , that someone who is not eligible to vote does so, if you have a better way, by all means enlighten us.
I’m touchy with big words? Are you implying something untoward?
And, for the record, it’s mostly irrelevant how wrong you are with reagrd to credit cards and IDs, the problem is that you only use the argument because you think it helps you, not becasue you believe in it at all. As soon as it was implied that such an argument would work against you, rather than for you, you abandoned it completely. You’re fucking clueless - you don’t even understand why I’m insulting you.