Now Trump has been weighing in on Bernie’s side - not exactly what Bernie wants:
A canvass script with anti-Warren taking points was used last weekend in a few early voting states. At first, the defenders of Bernie said it was rogue actors saying things without authorization, then some defenders said the script was faked. Then they admitted it was real and created by the campaign, not rogue actors. This, apparently, was the act that ended the non-aggression pact between the two camps.
ETA: in response to QuickSilver
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Just to add one more point in my defense of Warren’s handling of this, here are her words from the debate last night:
“It’s time for us to attack it head-on. Look, don’t deny that the question is there. Back in the 1960s, people asked, ‘Could a Catholic win?’ Back in 2008, people asked if an African-American could win. In both times the Democratic Party stepped up and said yes, got behind their candidate and we changed America. That’s who we are.”
This isn’t about trying to paint Bernie as a sexist pig. It’s an aggressive move to convince voters that she, a woman, is electable against Trump in 2020 That’s really been the elephant in the room for the past year (or more). I’ll admit I even said (on these boards and IRL) that a man would probably do better than a woman against Trump, and I know both women and men who have said the same thing. I’ve changed my tune, although I still haven’t settled on which candidate I support.
She took the words that Bernie could very likely have said to her (not making this assumption as an attack on him) and words that many of us have also said, or at least thought, and tackled them to the ground, very eloquently too, imo.
Hes older than I thought
The CNN treatment of Bernie was laughable and horrid.
The moderator asked Bernie why he told Warren a woman couldn’t get elected. Bernie replied by denying he’d ever said that. The moderator then turned to Warren, "What did you think when Bernie told you a woman couldn’t win the election?"
A pox on both their houses. Believe women, that’s what you’re stuck with, you morons.
The best thing about the Parnas interview is the flag pin.
How is she gonna kneecap Trump, accuse him of rape, or something really crazy like conspiring with a foreign government to subvert an election?
Who says shit like this with straight face? Clinton won 3 million more votes. 3 YEARS AGO.
What’s next, how about Buttigieg waits until Warren’s locked up in the impeachment trial and then makes something up about Warren?
They never should have had a non-aggression pact in the first place - like what the hell is that anyway? It’s a primary in which there were initially 20+ candidates.
Personally I think both Warren and Sanders look a little weak from this episode. Maybe now Bernie Bros can shove their holier-than-thou “He’s not a real politician” crap, but Warren still should have shook his hand and faked a smile.
Wake me up on Feb 12th. I’ve been paying no attention and it’s still too much.
I guess the non-aggression pact was made on the thinking they agree much more than they disagree so one could support the other being the eventual nominee — but Joe Biden stood in the way therefore the two “progressives” had to knock off the “centrist”. Unfortunately Biden has proved a tougher nut to crack than they or many in the media thought.
I’m not a fan of Bernie but Sanders didn’t call her a liar. I don’t pretend to know what all dems are thinking but from my vantage point, it seems like a classic case of a candidate who’s panicking and desperate to stay relevant. I say this as someone who has supported Warren more than Sanders up to this point. But this was just a low-blow.
The solution for Warren is obvious: if Sanders campaign staffers are saying Warren is unelectable, then she should just flip it around and make the case that Bernie’s not electable. She’s using her woman card, and it’s unfortunate because if Bernie really wants to go into the gutter he can do it and he wouldn’t even look like a douchebag (Pocahontas anyone?).
This is all very unfortunate. It was probably one big misunderstanding.
The overheard mic stuff certainly sounds like they both feel they are being truthful and the other not.
I saw that. Hard to watch.
Sigh I can’t help feeling that a lot of Democratic politics from here on in is going to be: “You’re a sexist!”, “You’re a racist!”,“You’re a sexist and a racist!”. It’s not a good trend…
I would also note that while Obama conspicuously refrained from playing the race card, Warren and Klobuchar (and Hillary before them) can’t seem to stop playing the gender card. And guess who was elected President twice.
And AFAIK Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel, the two most successful female politicians in the Western world, did not play the gender card either.
I’m ruling Warren out after this cheap stunt and I hope she gets primaried.
I’m not misrepresenting anything. I’m just not bending over backwards to be charitable to her.
I think if Bernie went the “Pocahontas” route it would hurt him among Dem primary voters.