Compared to running backs being trained to strike defenders it’s absolutely a more valid point. That’s an incredibly low bar though.
I have no idea. However:
a) There’s nothing anyone can say that justifies assaulting them; and
b) Unlike both parties’ recollections of what happened, the video is objective and accurate. And in the video, he turns to leave and she attacks him. You’re free to assume that Mixon must have somehow been at fault (he’s a young black man wearing jewelry, therefore he must be disrespectful and dangerous, right?). All I know - all I need to know - is that he was leaving, and she attacked him.
You need to see a film of the same move on the part of a RB in a game to believe he was capable of using what amounts to deadly force with his body?
I’m not seeing the point of the argument. So it wasn’t a legal football move? Get past the pedantry. The training in football gives one an advantage in knocking out smaller people. I think it’s right there on the film.
You didn’t address this: OK man. I think we’re on the same page. She had no reasonable expectation of causing him harm. He had reasonable expectation that what he did could be fatal. Right?
You argued that running backs are trained to knock people out, because you’ve seen them use their arms. I’m merely highlighting the absurdity of that claim.
Nope, as you should know you claimed he was using a football maneuver on her that he was trained to do. That’s patently bullshit. I believe any person is capable of using what amounts to deadly force with their body. I recall a case where a high school fight between two girls had one of them punching and killing the other. That’s right a high school girl is capable of killing while striking someone to the head. Training not required.
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You’re the one saying that it was.Now, it’s not but still… football player. Got it.
There is no football training that even allows a strike to the head. None, zero, zip. Prove otherwise please.
Now, you’re just screwing with me. I addressed that directly and I refuse to copy and paste it for you again. Hint, read the thread. It’s in there. It’s the only point I addressed in that post fer christs sake.
I’ve seen it before. Here, check this out. 
Woulda gotten bonus points but it wasn’t the running back doing the striking.
I did see something close actually happen but I can’t find a video. It was a long time ago. Billy Sims was the Lions running back. He had broken a run and only one dude stood between him and the goal line. The guy was crouching. Sims went up, planted his cleats into the guys face mask and used that to vault himself into the end zone. A penalty ensued but it was fun to watch. No one had their face fractured though.
Maybe running backs really are combatants.
Ok, either I was misremebering the exact scenario but here’s another BIlly Sims video.
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Ok, either I was misremebering the exact scenario but here’s another BIlly Sims video.
[/QUOTE]Damn, my meory was flawed. This kick is even mentioned in his wiki page and they say Chris Berman nicknamed him Kung Fu Billy Sims. I guess I’ll have to take solace that after 33 years at least I remembered it was Sims and what he did. Woulda been great if it was for a TD though. Probably why I remembered it that way.
Is this anything like “my hands are licensed lethal weapons”?
I am intrigued by this. Would the threat level have been greater if the “small male” was definitely straight? Or was it the ambiguity over his sexual orientation that diminished the likelihood of him being dangerous? Which is more of a threat: a large gay male or a small straight one? And what about bisexuals - more or less dangerous? I need to know in case I’m ever in an altercation with someone and have to determine how concerned I should be.
“I don’t know what happened so I’m going to idly speculate without further evidence” is always a good debating point.
Apparently a lot of Dopers think a reasonable reaction from a man getting slapped by a woman is to punch her in the face. That’s pretty deplorable. A more reasonable reaction, which is what usually happens, is the guy shoves her away and leaves, or puts his arm up to block her, or if she’s really in his face he can just grab her arms or hold her.
Less seriously, that video brought to mind the Bill Burr bit about how you can’t ever hit a woman because they have no body coordination and fall over like toddlers. She could’ve been paralyzed or killed.
How’s the view from atop that high horse?
What do you mean by “reasonable”? It is understandable that someone’s reaction to being hit in the face is to immediately hit back. Most people in that circumstance don’t stop to conduct a detailed risk-benefit analysis, especially not college freshmen and *especially *especially not one who attempted to leave and continued to be attacked. Saying that is not the same thing as saying that punching people in the face, even in self-defense, is objectively the correct course of action here; the point is merely that the circumstances of the assault contain a certain amount of mitigation in considering the appropriateness of his actions.
Or are you “one of those Dopers” who thinks it’s “reasonable” for women to be able to assault men whenever they like with impunity? And what would you say if he’d attempted to restrain her and she’d still gotten injured? Would you be here complaining that of course he shouldn’t have done that, he should have done something else? Hindsight does make things so much easier…
It all happens pretty quickly, but it looks like she was going for his face when he hit her. He didn’t intend for her to hit the table.
I’m more on his side of things here. She started it and he was reacting to her. Plus he was only eighteen.
Expelling him would have been a gross injustice.
The expectation of causing harm is immaterial. She was engaged in a verbal confrontation and then initiated a physical confrontation. He reacted to the escalation of the encounter. He has no legal obligation to walk away from a verbal altercation. He has a legal right to neutralize physical hostility until it becomes clear that the threat has been neutralized – that’s textbook self defense in the eyes of the law. And the law says nothing about size of the individuals involved.
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I. can’t. believe. I. read. this.
I’m a fairly big guy (225 lbs, 6’2") and I played football. I’ve had my share of dust-ups. But even I know, and was taught from the time I was a child, that one should NEVER aggressively put one’s hands on another person. That’s the RULE. That’s what separates a drunken argument at a bar from a bar fight. Don’t shove someone. Don’t slap someone. Don’t punch someone. Ever.
Once you do, you have lost all right to sympathy and (probably) a legal defense.
Furthermore, if you find yourself on the receiving end, you need to end the situation. Immediately. Either walk away or stop the assault (which is what it is) quickly and finally. Long brawls and pushing matches don’t end well.
I’m afraid that Molito has seen too many movies and rom-coms where a shove and a slap are somewhere in-between verbal insults and an actual physical fight. That magic realm of “not quite one and not quite the other” doesn’t exist. Lay your hands on another person and you take the consequences.
Molitor Missed the edit window.
If we’re talking about potential harm from the attacks, her first attack (the one that he attempted to ignore and just walk away from) was a shove. That could have knocked him off balance, and caused him to fall into a table. Which could have caused exactly as much damage as she took by, y’know, falling into a table. Heck, it could even have resulted in his death, if he was really unlucky. He would have been entirely within his rights to start fighting back after that first assault, but he instead chose to walk away.