And the guy who was their chair from 1999 to 2003 is now running Bush’s Nevada campaign. Maybe this is the GOP’s new motto: no sleazeball left behind.
Sorry, Rt, but this is a stupid Pitting. So seniors got targeted by the College Republicans for fundraising? So? Every nonprofit churns out tons of direct mail fundraising that make urgent pleas for donations. If those seniors were so feeble that they gave away all their money, that’s the fault of their relatives for not getting the seniors’ assets placed in conservatorships.
Er… isn’t that blaming the victims, gobear?
Waitaminute… if I read this correctly, the College Republicans have been scamming senior citizens by pretending to solicit money … for the Republican Party?
Isn’t that like shooting your own side? Or are young Republicans really so amoral that they’ll backstab their own candidate to make some extra bling-bling?
There is no honor among thieves. Or Republicans. The spirit of Reagan’s 11th Commandment is dead.
Sounds to me like this College Republicans group is a scam, not a friend to the Republican Party at all. Turn it around: if there were a group called College Democrats doing this to old folks, claiming falsely that the donations were going toward Democratic causes, would you consider that group to be proof that Democrats were sleazebags?
Hell, no. There’s no guilt by association here.
Except for Nevada. If this scammer is also heading up Bush’s campaign in Nevada, sounds like Bush might want to have him investigated for fraud there, and fire his ass. Not because doing so will help out the Democrats–quite the opposite–but because it’d be the smart thing to do.
And gobear, it’s pretty low to blame the victims here. Yes, nonprofits do direct-mail fundraising; we’re in the process of putting a piece out right now. However, what we DON’T do is:
- Target old people specifically.
- Use deceptive practices (such as using multiple different names)
- Funnel most of the money into overhead.
What they’re doing sounds suspiciously close to fraud to me.
Daniel
I’m shocked that the College Republicans are so bad at business–giving 90% of their revenue to the direct mail company is a ridiculous figure.
Yes, the College Republicans practiced scummy tactics, but any sensible person should have seen through their BS. Either the old people were just congenitally stupid, in which they deserved to get ripped off, or they were enfeebled by age, in which case their relatives should have been protecting them.
High pressure tactics are definitely wrong, but they’re hardly illegal.
This sounds so much like a typical Florida boiler-room scam that I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that the College Republicans are a front group for someone who’s grabbing all the money. I would investigate those direct mail firms and find out if they’re real, and who owns them, and what they have done for College Republicans.
As much as I despise the Republican Party, I’m inclined to give 'em a pass on this one until more information comes in.
Cool, the fundamental attribution error at work. Go psych class!
So these people thought they were donating money to get Bush reelected, and it turned out that most of the money went to direct mailing companies. What are they complaining about? That they didn’t get screwed as badly as they wanted?
gobear: High pressure tactics are definitely wrong, but they’re hardly illegal.
And it’s the wrongness that’s being criticized here, not the legality. These fundraising tactics are being called “scummy” and “sleazeball” precisely because they’re ethically wrong.
Would this have been your answer if the elderly people in question had been deceptively pressured into buying unnecessary insurance or siding?
It would be one thing if Republicans across a balanced age spectrum were getting these letters, but there are indications (not fully fleshed out in the story) that the fundraisers particularly target elderly folks who are especiallyly vulnerable to these sorts of misleading appeals.
Disgusting.
So, clue me into the situational attribution you think is more appropriate.
gobear: High pressure tactics are definitely wrong, but they’re hardly illegal.
And it’s the wrongness that’s being criticized here, not the legality. These fundraising tactics are being called “scummy” and “sleazeball” precisely because they’re ethically wrong.
Meh. You sound just like them.
Response Dynamics, the direct-mail organization that directed this campaign has–shall we say–an interesting reputation in the fundraising biz. Here’s the results of a Senate Select Committee on fundraising for POW-MIA charities. Essentially, one of Response Dynamics, through one of its contractors, sent out 2.5 million solicitations
through donations–of which Response Dynamics was receiving a large percentage–to a certain charity. Problem was, Response Dynamics knew claims like these:
Both of those claims–the Vietnamese “admissions” and the Norwegian sighting were outright frauds. Shows you something of the track record of Response Dynamics, I think.
Excuse me, “made” claims like these.
Yeah, I know I’m being hardhearted, but this is something different from a scam that preys on the innocent. These people were writing checks in support of Bush’s agenda, so their getting screwed by their own team smells like justice to me. Yes, I know they’re elderly, but, c’mon, by now shouldn’t they have learned not to give to everyone who asks them?
Being old/vulnerable/senile and badgered/coerced/threatened out of their money?
And explain how that differs from “Either the old people were just congenitally stupid, in which they deserved to get ripped off, or they were enfeebled by age, in which case their relatives should have been protecting them.”?