College/Universities explained... please.

College goes back to the Latin collegium, which in an abstract sense meant partnership, collegiality and in a more concrete sense meant a body of colleagues or partners. In its earliest use in English it meant a body of persons organised to perform some function in common and (usually) given legal recognition and privileges for the purpose. The purpose of a college was not necessarily educational. In fact, at first it was mostly ecclesiastical; Wyclif referred to Christ and the twelve apostles as a college and, in ecclesiastical usage, we still have the college of cardinals. Then there’s the electoral college, of course. And you have professional bodies concerned with regulating standards like the Royal College of Physicians. They may in fact offer professional training, and if they don’t they may still conduct examinations, but neither of these activities are essential to their being colleges.

Increasingly, though, the name came to be applied to bodies of people organised for educational purposes, and this is the predominant meaning today. In general a charter or similar instrument issued by the government both formally organised the members of the college and conferred functions and privileges on the organised body. The term “college” came to refer to a body organised and privileged in this way, as opposed to in some less formal way. Thus Eton College, a secondary school for boys, was chartered by King Henry VI in 1440. It neither grants degrees nor prepares students for degrees granted by other bodies. New College, Oxford was established by the Bishop of Winchester in 1379. The name “college” in each case points not to the kind of education provided by the institution concerned, but to the way it has been organised, constituted and privileged by a higher authority.

University, by contrast, was always used – in English - in a specifically educational context. It comes from a Latin word which originally mean entirety, universe but by medieval times it had come to refer specifically to the collective entirety of a society or community. From there it passed into French and, by the time it made the transition to English (by about 1300) it referred to the entirety of an educational community. But it was only used for fairly large educational communities, which generally included smaller but still formally organised bodies. Thus a university would tend to embrace a number of colleges (in the educational sense), but it would also embrace other institutions, informal groupings and individuals. And it wasn’t absolutely essential that the various lesser entities which it embraced would necessarily include colleges, though I suspect in practice it always did, at least until fairly recently.

In general, then, a university is a larger and somewhat looser institution than a college, and it usually but not necessarily includes at least one college. Some institutions, founded as colleges, grow to a size and diversity which makes them effectively indistinguishable from other institutions with the name of university. This may lead to a change in title with or without some kind of structural reorganisation (as Harvard College at some point gave rise to Harvard University, and Trinity College Dublin gave rise to Dublin University) or it may not (as in the William and Mary College example cited above). There is probably a fair spread of institutions which are called Colleges and which are divided into Departments, which could easily retitle their Departments as Colleges and the overall institution as a University, while making no change of substance to the character of the institution.

I grew up in New Zealand, where you had Primary School (New Entrants (ie 5 year olds), then J1, J2, Standards 1, 2, 3, and 4, then Form 1 and Form 2). There were “Intermediate Schools” that were just Form 1 and 2 (roughtly covering the age 11-13) After that you went to High School, where you had Forms 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7; generally most people graduated at 18.

After that, if you went on to higher education, there was either Polytech (What I think you lot in the US would could a “Technical College” or “Trade School” and what the Aussies call a TAFE- Technical And Further Education) or University. Despite getting an outstanding mark in my University Entrance (Bursary) exams in New Zealand, I never went to University there so I don’t really know what it’s like, although I hear it’s very much like Australia.

University in Australia does appear somewhat different to the US, though; you don’t generally go around taking random subjects for the sheer hell of it as part of your undergraduate degree, so if you’re studying Aviation Engineering (just to pick something at random) then your subjects are going to be related to Engineering and Aviation or other things relevant to what you’re doing- you’re not likely to be studying Political Theory or Mediaeval Literature. Of course, if you really wanted to study Mediaevel Literature as part of a BA in Engineering, then it could probably be arranged, but you’d have to convince a few people (like the Dean of the School and the Course Convenor) to help you arrange it.

I’m not sure where the OP is from, but I’ve never heard anyone in Queensland (or NSW, for that matter) refer to “Matriculation College”, FWIW.

In the U.S., that’ll vary a lot, depending on your school and your program. In general, from what I’ve seen, liberal arts programs often offer the student more leeway in their “electives”, and often, there will be requirements to take classes outside of your primary field (for that well-rounded classical education). Meanwhile, technical programs often have little, or any, in the way of electives (particularly if you’re attending a specialized school).

I went to the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and majored in business; I had a number of elective credits which I could use as I wanted. I largely used those electives for “survey-level” science classes, as they interested me, and I knew that they would be easy “A” grades for me, but I also took a semester of fencing, and a semester of ballroom dance. OTOH, I know that students in the Engineering school at the UW had very few, if any, elective credits, and their prescribed classes focused almost exclusively on math, science, and engineering.

Don’t all undergrads at UW have to do a series of general education requirements, though? In a long and convoluted conversation on the Dope I had awhile ago with some Australians, we came to the conclusion that the Australian university system is aimed at getting students an education in their specific field. The American university system is aimed at getting students a broad background in a variety of liberal arts, with a somewhat less intense focus on one’s major. This is why pretty much any university in the US requires that everyone take general education requirements, and why I took stuff like Intro to Astronomy and Overview of Western Music while working on my BA in anthropology. That wouldn’t have flown in Australia. Everyone at my university, regardless of their major, had to fulfill their Gen Ed requirements - although there was a lot of leeway as to precisely what classes people took. (Like, you had to take two intro level science courses. But you got to choose which ones you took, so you could do Intro to Geology or Intro to Marine Bio, or whatever sounded most interesting to you.)

(Australians, correct me if I’ve got anything messed up.)

You’ve got the general idea correct - most Australian BA or BS degrees will be three years full-time, with an optional year of honours (a thesis and more coursework) if your grades are high enough.

But there is still room in *most *Australian degrees to do some general subjects from areas outside the specific requirements of your degree. I have a double major in maths and computer science, but I still fit in two semesters of both psychology and philosophy and one semester of astronomy, and a couple of other subjects I can’t recall right now (bad sign?).

Engineering and pre-med students seemed to have a lot less opportunity to study other stuff that interested them, though.

I went to UW and graduated with a BS in meteorology, but I had to complete a whole passel of unrelated courses, including a foreign language. This was in the early 80’s and things have likely changed.

I studied Business and Law at an undergraduate level and I recall there being almost no opportunities for “Hey, that looks interesting-but-totally-unrelated-to-anything” study, at least at the university I was attending. Other friends of mine reported the same thing, but in hindsight most of them were studying complicated things like law, medicine, accounting, and so on.

Even talking to other friends from Uni (at a postraduate level), almost none of them seemed to have taken subjects that weren’t related to their degrees in some fairly tangible way. Like I said, I know it’s possible- but it doesn’t seem to be “the done thing” for the most part, and certainly not to the same extent as it appears in the US.

Okay, then the difference is that in the US, it’s standard that taking classes outside of one’s degree is not simply permitted, but required. At my undergrad, we not only had to do the two intro to sciences that I mentioned, but also two intro to social sciences, two intro to humanities, one quantitative course, one writing course, a “topical” class in humanities, social sciences, and natural sciences each (which weren’t intro courses, but also weren’t upper division; e.g., I remember I fulfilled my social science requirement by taking Psychology of Women) and probably some other stuff I’ve forgotten. Plus all your degree requirements.

But a standard bachelor’s degree in the US takes four years, not three. We need that extra year to take all of that stuff!

My bachelor’s degree (in Ireland) took four years. It was wholly and exclusively devoted to taking courses in various aspects of law. There were plently of electives - the last two years consisted wholly of electives - but they were all electives in law. There was neither any requirement nor any opportunity to take any non-law-related courses.

Some Irish universities offer three-year primary degrees, and some offer four-year primary degrees, but in both cases the degree courses are focussed in this way. Since I graduated it’s becine possible to take degrees in, say, Law with French or Law with Business Studies; in that case the student has to take courses in those two areas, but not outside them.

There are general arts degrees which would allow combinations of, say, philosophy, language, social sciences, etc. But there would be no opportunity in such a degree to take even a basic or introductory course in science or engineering.

When you finished, were you done with school? Or did you have to go to a separate law school after that?

Hijacking this to point out that in the UK (don’t know about Ireland), the term “school” is not used as a general term for college/university education. School is what you finish at 18 (or 16). People then go to university (or “Uni”).

I am in the UK, I went to High school from the age 11 up to the age of 16, and exited with GCSE’s. I then went to a seperate institution known as a college until I was 18 and exited with A Levels, I then went to a University until I was 21 and exited with an Undergraduant (BEng) degree.

Some high schools have a continuation (I have heard it called upper sixth) where you can do your A levels without going to a seperate institution.

The introduction of a “college” from 16 - 18 is a change from “my days”, when the norm was to have a sixth form divided into lower sixth (16 - 17) and upper sixth (17 - 18). The colleges that started to replace that were originally called “sixth form colleges”. I don’t know if they still are - I suspect not.

The official terminology as used in the United States is arbitrary. People are asserting a functional difference between “college”'and “university,” but practically speaking there’s nondifference, except that an institution with"university"'in its name is likely to be larger than an institution with “college”'in its name.

Casually, they’re referred to as “college.”

“School” can mean any stage of education, depending on context.

Filling out the information for England & Wales – Scotland is different – schooling starts at 5 although many kids now go to a kindergarten before this.

Primary School, ages 5-11, Years 1 to 6 (Years 1 & 2 are known as Infants)
Secondary School, ages 12-18, Years 7 to 13
BUT Years 12 and 13 are often known as the Lower and Upper Sixth and kids may move from their secondary school to a Sixth Form College or to a College of Further Education (CFE) for these two year. This can be because some schools don’t have a Sixth Form or because local schools and colleges have pooled together to offer a wider range of courses for the 17/18 year olds.

Most places the secondary school will be “comprehensive” - offering places to pupils of all abilities - but a few areas retaim Grammer Schools where the pupil are chosen on the basis of a test at the end of primary school (the 11+).

CFEs offer vocational courses as well as A Levels (the main academic courses taken by those aiming for university) plus part-time and evening classes for adults (academic and recreational).

All institutions offering degree courses would call themselves universities and I think they all offer post-graduate degrees. The divide is between the major research universities and the others (there is a massive variation in status between the old research universities and some of the new places although they all call themselves university). Just to complicate things Oxford, Cambridge and Durham are made up of colleges. I believe at Durham this is primarily to do with accommodation but at Oxford and Cambridge the student is firmly linked to a specific college. Despite this I think most degree students would say “I’m going back to university (or ‘uni’)” rather than “I’m going back to college”. If someone said they were at college I would assume it was a CFE.

The normal first degree takes three years and leaves little room for options outside of the core subject or subjects. Essentially all students are aiming for an Honours degree - not getting at least a Third Class Honours would be seen as failing. Some course may last four years but this would normally be an extra year for an industry placement or study abroad. (Undergraduate degrees in England are only three years on the assumption that A Level courses reach the standard that other systems get to during the first year of a four year degree course – I’m not entirely convinced by this theory!)

As noted it is all different in Scotland!

Final note, you have to be 17 to get a driving license in the UK.

Actually, this isn’t at all true unless you intend to go to a high school that requires some kind of competitive examination or has entrance requirements (an elite private school or one of the “specialized” public high schools that exist in some cities).

However, most students proceed from their local junior high/middle school into their geographically-assigned high school without any application process. While JHS/middle school is a good time to get the right kind of study habits and time management skills that will help you in high school, parents who are bugging their middle schoolers that their grades MATTER are off their rockers. I promise that no university or college has ever cared about Junior High/Middle school grades. Ever. This is a flavor of crazy Lizzy’s parents are apparently afflicted with.

The only way middle school can matter at all is in the above case of a competitive high school, or if you have the opportunity to take accelerated high school level classes, freeing up your high school years for more advanced work. For example, I took the 1st year of my state’s high school math curriculum in Junior high (8th grade), as a consequence of which I was done early and was able to take Calculus in high school as an elective.

I’ve moved around a lot in my life, and went to school in Texas, California, Tennessee, and Illinois. In every place that I went to school, the sequence was:

Grades K-5: Elementary School
Grades 6-8: Middle School
Grades 9-12: High School

It’s my understanding that “Junior High” was traditionally for grades 7-9, leaving grades 10-12 for High School. When four-year high schools became more common, the grades were shifted, which led to the creation of so-called “Middle School” for grades 6-8.

My son goes to school here in Connecticut, and until a few years ago, the sequence was the same as I’ve listed above. However, they recently built a new school to handle the growing population here in my town, and the sequence is now:

Grades K-2: Elementary School
Grades 3-5: Intermediate School
Grades 6-8: Middle School
Grades 9-12: High School

Well, I don’t know how it’s done now, but back in my day middle school grades were important because they determined which of the “tracks” you would be on in high school. In other words, were you going to be in AP English, College Prep English, “regular” English, or remedial English. Or something like that. It’s been a while.

So while it’s true that no college ever looked at my middle school grades, they did look at the courses I had taken, and those courses were partly determined by middle school grades.

Also: on the subject of electives being discussed above: I, too, went to UW-Madison (there seem to be a lot of us in this thread), and one of the decisions I had to make in my major (Political Science) was whether to get a Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Arts degree. As far as I can recall, the only difference in requirements for the two was in the type of electives you had to take. The BA degree required more foreign language, and the BS required more math & science.

My bachelor’s degree (at Rice University) was in Mechanical Engineering. Like Kyla reports, I was required and/or permitted (depending on my mood on a given day) to take several classes outside of that field. It was nearly twenty years ago, so the details are hazy, but at any given time I was usually taking one or two courses of a completely non-technical nature (maybe even more than that my first year). Some were more-or-less specifically required (an Introduction to the Humanities course), and others I had nearly free reign to select (The History of Warfare, or Music Theory for Nonmajors, for example).

I think this is pretty typical of a US undergraduate education. I’m unaware of any schools that do not require some array of humanities and social sciences classes for their science/engineering majors.

One thing to keep in mind about the different grade designations between elementary, middle school and high school is that they’re almost completely arbitrary and really dependent on budgetary concerns, school building size (how many students can be housed in one building) and politics (what’s the “current” fad theory on grade distribution)

In areas of the country that are older and built up (parts of the Northeast, for example), it’s not uncommon to see schools broken up into multiple schools that might only have one or two grades per school.

Take Lawrenceville, New Jersey for example.

Lawrence has 4 elementary schools that are K-3. It has one “intermediate” school which houses grades 4-6. There’s then one middle school (7 & 8) and one high school (9-12) which are next to each other, separated by a parking lot.

This arrangement came when part of the town expanded and added a large tract of residential housing. The district was able to build a new elementary school near said housing, but then needed to rejigger everything to be able to fit all the students together – which is where the “politics” portion came into play. Apparently, the thinking when this was done was that younger students benefited from smaller buildings that were closer to home (thus splitting up the “Class of XXXX” into 4 buildings), while it was more beneficial for older students to be together in one, larger, building, even if it meant having to shuffle buildings every few years.

In contrast, the Hamilton, New Jersey School District apparently felt the opposite when they set up their current scheme. Hamilton is broken up into 17 elementary schools (K-5), 3 middle schools (6-8) and 3 high schools (9-12), dividing the township into three rough “regions”. It helps that Hamilton is significantly larger than Lawrence and includes more open space (thus more room to grow).