Comfort Women...

As a counter to all silly and frivolous posts I’ve made here and elsewhere, I’ll post this…

I know Wikipedia isn’t a great source for citations, but this entry about Comfort Woman summarizes the horror of it better than I could:

"Comfort women were women and girls forced into sexual slavery by the Imperial Japanese Army in occupied territories before and during World War II.[1][2][3]

The name “comfort women” is a translation of the Japanese ianfu (慰安婦),[4] a euphemism for “prostitute(s)”.[5] Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 (by Japanese historian Ikuhiko Hata[6]) to as high as 360,000 to 410,000 (by a Chinese scholar[7]); the exact numbers are still being researched and debated.[8] Most of the women were from occupied countries, including Korea, China, and the Philippines.[9] Women were used for military “comfort stations” from Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan (then a Japanese dependency), Indonesia (then the Dutch East Indies), East Timor (then Portuguese Timor),[10][11] and other Japanese-occupied territories. Stations were located in Japan, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, then Malaya, Thailand, Burma, New Guinea, Hong Kong, Macau, and French Indochina.[12] A smaller number of women of European origin were also involved from the Netherlands[13] and Australia with an estimated 200–400 Dutch women alone.[14]

According to testimonies, young women were abducted from their homes in countries under Imperial Japanese rule. In many cases, women were lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants, or opportunities for higher education; once recruited, they were incarcerated in comfort stations both inside their nations and abroad.[15]"
Before I continue, a bit about me. I’m a third-generation American of Japanese/Okinawan ancestry born and raised in Hawaii and have had older (i.e. born before WWII) Filipinos and Koreans tell me point blank that if I had been born a generation earlier, we couldn’t be friends. I understand these wink, wink, nudge, nudge comments as an allusion to the travesties committed by the Japanese in Korea and the Philippines.

The most touching comment came from a Korean video shop owner who was just slightly older than me and whom I built a friendly rapport with, having weekly rented movies from her. She recommended I rent Men Behind the Sun, a Chinese “horror” movie about the infamous Unit 731 (the subject of the thread “Why were the Japanese so cruel in World War II?”. She gave a slight wink as she said the movie was about “Maruta” (the euphemistic code name for the experiments performed by Unit 731) and said “You don’t know Maruta?”
Back to Comfort Women. As of Feb 2018, its been reported that only 30 Korean comfort women are still living, though the actual number is probably much higher though unknown because may survivors won’t acknowledge their past. This is highly significant because once these last survivors pass away, the issue of comfort women will fade further away.

For decades after WWII, Japan asserted the women were voluntary prostitutes and not sex slaves and finally in 2015 issued an apology and reparation to the Korean survivors:

"On December 28, 2015, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and South Korean President Park Geun-hye reached a formal agreement to settle the dispute. Japan agreed to pay ¥1 billion (₩9.7 billion; $8.3 million) to a fund supporting surviving victims while South Korea agreed to refrain from criticizing Japan regarding the issue and to work to remove a statue memorializing the victims from in front of the Japanese embassy in Seoul.[141] The announcement came after Japan’s Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida met his counterpart Yun Byung-se in Seoul, and later Prime Minister Shinzo Abe phoned President Park Geun-hye to repeat an apology already offered by Kishida. The Korean government will administer the fund for the forty-six remaining elderly comfort women and will consider the matter “finally and irreversibly resolved”.[142] Despite the official, final agreement between Japan and South Korea, some Korean comfort women protested the outcome.[143]

On February 16, 2016, the United Nations’ “Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women”, Seventh and Eighth Periodic Reports, was held, with Shinsuke Sugiyama, Deputy Minister for Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Japan), reiterating the official and final agreement between Japan and South Korea to pay ¥1 billion.[144][145] Sugiyama also restated the Japanese Government apology of that agreement: “The issue of comfort women, with an involvement of the Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and the Government of Japan is painfully aware of responsibilities.”[146]"

As of May 2018, Japan has still not issued an apology or reparation to the Philippines and Filipinas and to my knowledge any other country other than Korean. In addition, they successfully petitioned for the the removal of a a commemorative statute in Manila and have petitioned for the removal of statues in Germany, Australia and the US.
There are several documentaries about comfort women, and few movies viewable by non-Korean speaking audiences. The only ones I know are available on DVD (though difficult to find) are Snowy Road (1977) directed by Lee Na Jeong and Spirit’s Homecoming (2016) directed by Cho Jung Rae.

Snowy Road was a 2 part TV drama reedited for theatrical release and Spirit’s Homecoming director Cho Jung Rae has stated that he directed the pseudo-documentary Duresori - The Voice of East to get the funding to do Spirit’s Homecoming. The general events of the treatment of the comfort women in Spirit’s Homecoming was based on the testimony of survivor Kang Il-chul, but the mystical and some more extreme events are artistic license by the director.

What is the subject of debate? Whether the use of comfort women was bad? Whether Japan should apologise to everyone?

I don’t see the value of apologies from people who weren’t involved in an injustice

Thank you. This is an important topic I know nothing about. I will learn more, some day.

A nitpick: you don’t mean travesty, you mean atrocity. Travesty is a fake or a poor substitute, not a terrible act. (“A travesty of justice” means something passed off as justice but not real justice.) (The original - positive or normal - meaning of travesty was old-fashioned stage plays where men played all the roles including the female roles. Travesty->transvestite, similar words for similar ideas.)

Interesting topic, though I’m not seeing a debate here. I’m going to try MPSIMS and we can see how that goes.

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Obscuring and hiding the fact does cause one to involve himself.

I demand a debate on your choice of moving my thread! :smiley:

J/K…thank you for your due diligence!

It’s not really a subject of debate (especially since Moderator Bone saw fit to move this tread), but my little point of presence on the everlasting internet. :smiley:

I do personally believe Japan should acknowledge and apologize for comfort women while some of those who experienced it are still alive. I’m not sure if it’s because I’m Japanese or just some deep seated guilt about other things, but I’ve always felt a mild sense of kinship and responsibility for the actions of those in my ancestral homeland (which I lived in briefly in my very youngest years and will likely never visit again). When we took a good family friend (who was born in Japan in the mid 40’s) to the Arizona Memorial, he openly cried and keep repeating “I’m so sorry, I’m so sorry” as we walked over the remains of the Arizona.

But more importantly the point of this thread is exemplified by DavidwithanR’s statement: “This is an important topic I know nothing about. I will learn more, some day.” I will probably never know whether he or anyone else found this topic compelling enough to follow up, but the seed of thought is here to be planted and grown.

Then it’d make sense to acknowledge the bad thing and apologise for covering it up. Apologising for a long dead person as if you’re responsible for their actions is pointless.

Well, not long dead.

If they were alive recently then they had opportunity to apologise themselves and presumably chose not to.

So, how did you like Man Behind The Sun?

Don’t know if you’re serious or not. :dubious: But as it movie it was one of the better (in a so bad it’s good way) Chinese exploitation/shock movies of the era. As a seed to learn more about Japan’s history before and during WWII, it served its purpose. I saw the movie in the 80’s and thought the things shown in the movie were just for shock value. Sadly, I later learned that much worse experiments were actually conducted.

Sadly, this kind of thing is not at all isolated to Japan or to previous eras. Sex trafficking is still a MAJOR problem in the world today - and it affects not just adult women but also children unfortunately.
Here is a tragic article that explains how pervasive this problem is across the world even right now:

It is worth it for a country to make apologies. The individuals may be different but the country is the same. Germany has acted contrite since WWII. Japan has acted the victim since WWII and takes almost no ownership for their part and the atrocities committed to the point it is not taught in schools. Indeed their relationship with China remains fragile because China is still waiting for what they feel is a sincere apology from Japan.

Historic revisionism is alive and well in Japan as regards WWII. A national apology beyond, “Sorry about that thing, let’s move on,” would not be amiss even today.