Comic book geeks: recommend some SF

I was at the comics shop over the weekend, picking up the last Hellboy collection I didn’t have. I spent some additional time browsing around, and I had a gradual realization about something I hadn’t noticed before.

Okay, so we’ve got lots of superheroes. Lots and lots of superheroes. That’s a given in the medium. I consider them fantasy, for the most part, just as much as Bone and Conan and so on. Just because there’s a weak rationalization about “yellow suns” doesn’t make the flying guy any less magical. :wink: In general, I think, the overwhelming majority of published comics can be considered, essentially, fantasy.

We also have lots of horror — vampires mostly, it seems to me, plus assorted other beasties and dark magic — and adventure tales about spies and the like (e.g. Danger Girl). Plus there’s all the wonderful slice-of-life real-world indie titles, like the work of Lutes and Clowes and Ware. But…

It occurred to me after I left the shop with “Right Hand of Doom” that I hadn’t seen any of what I would consider to be true science fiction. My taste in SF novels tends to the harder stuff, the more science-oriented stories from Brin and Benford and Bear and Forward and Bova, and less the space-opera material of Foster and Zahn or the “Sci Fi” stories of latter-day Piers Anthony clones (gag). No psychic powers, no “creatures from other dimensions,” none of that crap. I’m a little more ecumenical in my comics reading, though, which is why I started thinking: I don’t recall seeing any hard-SF comics.

There are some that come close. I have a few of the Hernandez Bros’ Love and Rockets collections, which can be pretty SF-y without a lot of outright fantastic elements. And, of course, there’s a fair amount of imported manga that’s strictly SF, but up to this point, for whatever reason, I haven’t found them much to my liking. I admit, I may be forgetting something (and will smack myself at being reminded), or I may have overlooked them completely; like I said, the thought came to me after I left the shop so I didn’t have a chance to search the shelves with a specific objective. But am I imagining things here?

It may simply be that the medium doesn’t lend itself to that sort of material, any more than stage plays don’t really feature a lot of action-adventure, because it isn’t really suitable for that kind of presentation. Consider Robinson’s Mars trilogy; it’s pretty much necessary to understand the ecology of the red planet to get at what Robinson is doing over the long haul, but how boring would that be on a comics page, panel after panel of rocks and dust, with tons of accompanying expository material? “And then they launched thousands of little windmills…” Fun in prose; probably duller than linoleum if drawn.

So this topic, I think, has two possible routes for development in the ensuing thread. Either I’m stupid and have missed some obvious titles, in which case I’d appreciate some recommendations; or I’m not stupid, and it’s worth discussing why straight SF doesn’t really work in this format.

Thoughts?

Would you smack yourself over Alien or Predator? I haven’t read either, but from what I understand, they’re rather more SF than is Superman, even if not exactly “hard”.

I like Mister X.

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Grant Morrison’s “the invisibles” gets into some pretty hard sci-fi, and his recent miniseries “The Filth” is all hard sci-fi. It’s about to be TPB’ed in a month or so.

The Lensman.
Great series, hard sci fi.

Try Phil & Kaja Foglio’s Girl Genius.

Pure Steampunk, & very funny. :cool:

Hm.

In the past, there have been excellent adaptations of any number of well-known authors’ works – Ray Bradbury had a whole comics line, for a while, when Topps was trying to do comics, and many of his stories have been recollected in graphic novel format – and there was also an excellent adaptation of The Stars My Destination, by Alfred Bester, but that’s been out of print for quite some time now. I wish it were otherwise.

Girl Genius, while very clever and quite funny, is not what I’d call SF; more steampunk/SF/fantasy. Still quite good, though.

There’s Moore’s *Tom Strong * books, but this, again, isn’t SF, really… although it toys with many of the conventional cliches of the genre, often with some very clever twists. Imagine a world where the Worlds Fair of 1939 led to a future that looked like they imagined, complete with Metropolis-style skyscrapers, airships, and so forth, and you’ve got a good picture. Quite worthwhile.

In fact, last time I looked, the SF niche in most comic shops was largely packed with bound collections of *Star Wars * stuff.

Whoops! Waitaminnit! There’s Transmetropolitan, the tale of savage truthseeking journalist Spider Jerusalem, as he viciously mocks the berserko future society he lives in and still finds time to savage the corrupt politicians who rule the world. Highly recommended reading, but WAY adult. Also finds time to kick around a great many futurist ideas, including the logical results of cryogenics, nanotechnology, and lots of other weird stuff… y’know, many “futurists” tend to think that really cool technology will result in a golden age, you know? In Transmetropolitan, we find that human beings are too damn weird and venal for golden ages…

(think about it. Back in the seventies, when they were talking about “networks of home computers,” do you think for a second any of them foresaw that the number one moneymaking use of the damn things would be in the sale of pornography?)

Y: The Last Man: Every male mammal on earth is killed suddenly by some unknown plague at the same moment. The only male survivors are an amateur magician, Yorick, and his pet monkey, Ampersand. They, along with an intelligence agent, Agent 355, and a genetecist, Dr. Mann, are traveling cross country to a genetics lab in San Francisco so that Dr. Mann can study Yorick to try to determine the cause of the disaster and find a cure.

The implied cause of the plague that wiped out the men is supernatural, but once you get past that, you get into some pretty good stories about what the natural consequences of such a disaster might be. For example, nearly the entire government of the United States is now Democratic, a majority of femal politicians at the national level being Democrats. Another incidental effect that I liked–there’s no more strife in the Middle East. Isreal took over all of the Arab countries within a few months of the disaster, which is a natural cosequence given the different roles of women in those cultures.

It’s not just now: straight or hard science fiction has never been a prominent staple of comic books, although its gone through some periods with upswings in popularity.

You had the Buck Rodgers/Flash Gordon stuff back in the old days. Fiction House was probably the only publisher to focus heavily on SF with Planet Comics and one or two others. EC of course had excellent science-fiction titles (Weird Science and Weird Science-Fantasy), featuring lots of Bradbury adaptations. However, these took a back seat to EC’s horror and war titles.

DC did well mining CF in the 50s with its features in Mystery in Space and Strange Adventures (Adam Strange, Tommy Tomorrow, Atomic Knights etc.) but these went by the wayside after DC hit big by reviving its old heroes (Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman) with more science-oriented backgrounds and stories.

Star Wars helped pave the way for a mimi-revival of SF. I’ve heard some say that gettng the Star Wars series rights helped Marvel get through some very lean years before its 80s turn around. However a lot of the new titles were space operas in the Star Wars mold, with a handsome rebel/savior leading a ragtag mixed-species crew against either an evil empire or an invading alien armada (Micronauts, Killraven, Atari Force, etc.)

The scope for SF comics expanded with the advent of major indie publishers like Pacific, First and Eclipse (and Marvel’s Epic imprint). American Flagg, Dreadstar, Mars, Scout, Mr. X, Aztec Ace, and Dalgoda were some of the standouts, both in terms of quality and originality. Also< Marvel was releasing Moebius’ SF stuff and DC was publishing a line of SF classic adaptations (and original SF graphic novels as well).

This kind of went by the wayside as most of those publishers failed and Image and Valiatn became the models for indie publishers in the 90s (i.e. shared universe with linked titles and a superheroic base).

As for now, there’s very little SF in the mainstream market that doesn’t involve a healthy dose of superheroes, but here are some relatively recent titles you can check out.

-Finder
-Astronauts in Trouble
-Wandering Star
-A Distant Soil
-Orbiter
-Red Star
-Shockrockets
-Little White Mouse

Hope this helps.

Can’t believe I forgot Y: The Last Man!

I wouldn’t call The Invisibles science fiction, at least not by the standards the OP is looking for. For one thing, too many horrible monsters from alternate dimensions. Also, lots and lots of magic, although arguably it’s only magic in the Arthur C. Clarke “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” sense of the word.

It is, however, totally fuckin’ awesome, and should be immediately read by anyone who knows what a fnord is.

Thanks, y’all. I’m glad it’s not just my imagination. :slight_smile:

And thanks for the suggestions. I’ll be making a foray down to my local comics dungeons in the next few days. Mister X in particular sounds pretty cool; how recent is it? Am I likely to still find it on the shelf? (Oh, and I knew about Transmetropolitan. I should have mentioned it in my OP. –insert smackie–)

bmoak (and anyone else), can you provide a little more detail? Googling on “red star,” for example, gets a lot of irrelevant flotsam and jetsam. Maybe a year or an another or a publisher, something to help narrow it down so I can find more info and decide which titles sound the most interesting. It’ll also be useful when I go shopping, so I can give the countercritter a better idea of what I’m trying to locate.

So I guess now I’m asking the question I mentioned at the end of the OP: Why is straight SF so uncommon in the field? Is it what I suggested, that the exposition requirements are too thick and unwieldy for a graphic format? Or maybe it’s more that when somebody is discovering a talent for drawing in their youth, they’re unlikely to want to draw the sorts of things that are typically considered SF? I mean, what 15-year-old boy is going to want to sketch a page explaining the nuances of nanotechnology when instead they could scribble up an image of a busty Amazon in skintight Lycra? :wink: Anyway, the point is, I assume the form is somewhat self-selecting, yes?

That was supposed to be “or an author.

I would definitely second Y: the Last Man, and Transmet.

Transmet is very adult. It is also very poignant. All in all, a very good read.

Nexus, despite its superhero protagonist, holds up pretty well as SF. If you buy any back issues or TPBs, you can decently skip anything that wasn’t drawn by Steve Rude. You can certainly skip the one LS that wasn’t written by Mike Baron.

Link to “Girl Genius” Site

Off the top of my head I can think of two that might be to your liking: Astronauts in Trouble and Orbiter.

Oooh! Another good one: Heavy Liquid.

A few I haven’t read, but have seen recommended elsewhere:

Switchblade Honey.

The Metabarons series

The Complete Ballad of Halo Jones

I suspect that the people interested in science fiction wind up wind up incorporating those elements into superheroes, far and away the most lucrative genre in comics, rather than drawing “straight” sci-fi.

Mister X, BTW, is wonderful. It was originally published in the 80’s, but I remember hearing that a complete collected edition was scheduled for this year. I don’t know whether it’s out yet.

If you like Mister X, do be sure to check out the similarly themed “Electropolis” and “Terminal City” by the same author.

I would also recommend Transmetropolitan. Again, not that futuristic b/c it doesn’t center on science. I would also recommend Y-The Last Man, as well, and maybe Planetary. Y doesn’t fall into your category b/c, so far, there hasn’t been a lot of science, unless you count Social Studies (e.g. Anthropology, Economics, Psychology, and Socialogy) as sciences. Planetary doesn’t really fall into the category b/c, like Transmet and Y, it is more social commentary.

My WAG why there isn’t a whole lot of hard SF (Heinlein and Dick are my favorites) is because a lot of the action is internalized and expository. Then again, I don’t read a lot of SF as I pretty much read all over the place. My comic book buying-- limited as it is-- is pretty much superhero based.

Oh, and Red Star, I would disagree, does not fit into your definition of SF. It has a lot of supernatural and magical leanings. If anything, it is the combination of both.

Do webcomics count? If so, take a look at

A Miracle of Science and
Schlock Mercenary

both of which are pretty hard SF comics.