Comics Fans: The one rule you would impose on the comics universe?

Except that that’s not true in the X-books. There’s a lot of stories where mutants who don’t hang with the X-Men or the Brotherhood (or X-Force, X-Factor, The Acolytes, etc) - mutants who, in fact, just try to keep their hands down and be normal people, suffering abuse for being mutants - in fact, that’s part of the backstory of a significant portion of the characters in those books.

The assumption of the public, in the X-books, is that anyone who looks funny, or displays special powers, is a mutant. The only exceptions I can think of are Nightcrawler who was misidentified as a demon, and Wolfsbane who was assumed to be possessed - both because their specific mutations suggested something else.

The assumption of the public in Avengers or Spiderman or whatever, is that anyone who displays special powers, or looks funny, is a supersoldier, or had an accident with gamma rays, or etc.

It’s an inconsistancy across the titles.

To a certain extent, it’s understandable: The X-books deal with mutants who set out to improve the lot of mutants, and the villains - mutant and otherwise - who set their cause back, so they’ll deal with anti-mutant discrimination more directly.

The non-X-books don’t, so they won’t.

The problem is, it’s not even THERE.

J Jonah Jameson never speculates if Spider-Man might be a mutant. Nobody ever tells the avengers they should be dealing with the mutant menace - or with the rabid anti-mutant types. Peter Parker never photographs anti-mutant demonstrations. Since they’re not X-books, anti-mutant types simply don’t exist, as far as you’d know if you only read, say, Avengers or Spider-man.

Conversely, nobody ever sees Caliban and wonders if he had a runin with a gamma bomb. People didn’t think Jubilee’s powers might have been tech-based or mystical. Leech is never mistaken for an alien. Since they’re mutants in X-books, they’re easily identifiable.

Er…heads down. >_<

Only half-misidentified as it turns out… :slight_smile:

I agree to some extent – I remember once reading a John Byrne Avengers or West Coast Avengers in which someone asked Cap about whether some weird desecration of the American flag bothered him, and he said something along the lines of " I never thought about it – it’s really just a piece of cloth." Holy shit! Now John Byrne may think that, and I would say I agree with him, but Captain America – a man who fought in WWII and who probably tears up when he hears the Star-Spangled Banner? NO WAY. He may feel that people have the right to desecrate the flag, but I’d never believe him to be so blase about it.

And injecting politics in stories is OK if the characters are consistent and well-defined. Wally West used to be pretty conservative in Teen Titans, didn’t he? But Mark Waid goes and turns him into an unabashed liberal. Waid (whose politics I don’t know) should have kept him leaning more towards the right, if only because it would have been consistent. Or at least give a legitimate explanation why his politics changed – maybe Waid could have used Wally’s friendship with the gay Pied Piper as a jumping-off point.

It’s not impossible to write compelling characters that that are 180 degrees from you politically. Who was by far the most interesting and sympathetic character in Watchmen? I really doubt Alan Moore was using Rorschach as a mouthpiece for his own views.

Actually, JJJ hired the X-Terminators (the original X-Men/X-Factor in mutant hunting disguise) to capture Spider-Man and expose him for the dirty mutant that he is. They took the job, had the pre-requisite hero v hero fight, and reported to JJJ that Spider-Man was not actually a mutant after all.

However in relation to the Law that started this hijack, world shaking events such as Asgard hanging over NYC, “Magneto” destroying NYC, Kang taking over the world (all within a one year period) MUST make some kind of impact in other titles, not necessaily a cross-over, but a mention at least. The last time I remember this happening was years ago when one of the books (X-Men, Thor?) had the hero(es) fighting someone who caused a blizzard in NY during the summer. In a couple of panels in Amazing Spider-Man it began to snow and Spidey commented how odd that was (with an editor’s note pointing you to the appropriate comic to find out the reason.)

Well there was that time an angry anti-mutant mob burned down the Scarlet Witch’s house…

Kurt’s getting as bad as Wolvie for his origin. >_< Who are his parents NOW?

I didn’t see that X-Terminators/Spider-Man story. That’s pretty cool.

The “Hey Marvel, Use Your Imagination!” Rule: I would love to see some Marvel superheroes who didn’t gain their powers via a) being a mutant, or b) being exposed to some kind of radiation. I’m ignoring characters such as Thor, who is allegedly a god, and any alien character, because they aren’t technically human.

Let’s look at Marvel’s front-line, non-mutant superheroes:

Spider-Man: bitten by radioactive spider
Hulk: gamma radiation
Fantastic Four: “Cosmic rays”
Daredevil: radioactive waste

Now that I think about it, it’s Marvel’s villians who have the more imaginative origins.

Meanwhile, the majority of DC’s characters have unique origins by comparison.

The Mass and Leverage Rule: Okay, this has been discussed before, but I’ll bring it up again. I don’t care how strong a character is; a human-sized character cannot pick up an object that vastly outweighs that character by holding one end of said object.

Still Mystique, but now his father is “Azazel, a member of a race of demonic-looking mutants dating back to Biblical times, who were banished to another dimension by another race of angelic mutants.”

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Nightcrawler

No they weren’t.

This statement, in contradiction to what appeared in the comics (which *Gonzoron correctly cited), is brought to you by the “Thomas Wayne Junior ‘If it’s too damned stoopid, it can just be ignored’ Law”, a subdivision of “Northstar is gay! No he’s not, he’s just an elf…a MUTANT elf! Nope, he’s a mutant again.” Industries :smiley:

Nightcrawler, as a baby abandoned by completely normal parents? Poignent, moving and though-provoking. Nightcrawler as a product of a Mutant Demon and a Mutant terrorist? Not so much.

Chris Claremont’s original idea for Nightcrawler’s parentage was actually to have Mystique be Kurt’s father. The idea was to have Mystique be literally bi-sexual, ie, willing to have sex as both a male and a female, rather than that being just her sexual orientation.

That said, having him be abandoned by normal parents does make for a more moving, more human story.

Northstar’s gay!?! :eek:

The Clark Kent Rule - The duration of the secret of a civilian identity is directly based on how much effort goes into concealing it. If the transformation from civilian identity to superhero consists of taking off a pair of glasses, the duration of the secret will be measured in seconds.

The Slim Summers Rule - Superpowers do not grant amazing physiques. If a person is noticably overweight, underweight, short, tall, flat-chested, etc in their civilian identity, they will also be so in their superhero identity.

The Too Many Examples To Think Of A Archtype Rule - Attitude is not a superpower.

  1. No reboots of the entire universe. Different artists/writers is OK, but don’t keep switching the basic premise.

  2. No alternate anything, ever. (the Mommy Dearest proviso).

  3. No mopping up the floor with someone who can crush you (Wolverine vs. the Hulk or Spidy vs. the Hulk or Daredevil vs. Kingpin). Sure Logan and Daredevil are tough but not THAT tough.

  4. Similarly, if a being with super strength hits someone, it is going to be messy and disgusting. Why is it that when UnlimitedStrengthMan punches someone, they always come back for more? If it is a cross genre (Supes vs. Hulk) don’t wimp out and make it a draw. See the fight to the end, with a clear winner and loser. Anything less is a cop-out.

  5. If the hero has been smashed, stomped, or shot to pieces, don’t make him miraculously shrug it off or recover if he has no healing power (Batman and Daredevil). Along the same lines, a hero with no powers WILL get tired after fighting 50 baddies at one time. The Dark Knight series covered this well - a bruised and battered older Batman who drinks heavily, partly to dull the mental pain and partly to ease the physical pain from all the accumulated injuries.

  6. No more secret identities, except where they are already in place. Maybe the heroes and baddies could figure out it is simpler to not bother, since they have to hide the identity, make up cover stories and excuses etc.

  7. No more returns from the dead. Especially not with the horribly contrived explanations.

Per Byrne, yes. And suffering from AIDs. Per whatever writer came later, nope. He was a pixie or an elf or a leprechaun or a (gasp!) fairy or somesuch and it wasn’t AIDS, it was that he was dying from being…oh hell…I don’t remember some dread leprechaun disease like too far from his bowl of Lucky Charms[sup]tm[/sup] or insufficient shamrocks or somesuch bullshit.

Gay groups got very pissed (with just cause, IMO) and um…somehow he wasn’t a pixie any more and was just a gay, obnoxious mutant again (and one of the few characters Chuck Austen can write well—mainly because Northstar had an anger management problem before Austen became the writer)…

Fenris

I didn’t know he ever had AIDS. Was that part left behind when he became gay again?

I didn’t follow Alpha Flight for long; I knew Northstar was gay but I hadn’t heard about him having AIDS. But I’m not surprised; there was a period in the late 80’s where every fictional gay character had AIDS. I remember one comic book where a gay character mentioned his lover had died. Another character asked, “AIDS?” and the first said, “No, he died in a car accident. AIDS isn’t the only thing gay people die from.”

I don’t remember if they actually [i[said* it was AIDS. But he was experiencing a mysterious disease that featured the “classic” symptoms of AIDS…right before it became a dreaded leprechaun disease.

This rings a bell…I think it’s from Peter David’s Hulk run. Man, that guy’s a great writer.

I very vaguely remember it (maybe). Hulk in one of his more lucid (for him) moments says something like “Hulk want no friends. Friends always die”. Then he bounces out into the desert to sulk (again). Did I get close?