Communicating With Other Dimensions...

I watch alot shows on quantum physics and relativity on tv. Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman is esp. good, I think. Anyways, that is just to forewarn you all my information on physics is therefore general, but still broad I think.

Gravity. It is the weakest force known to man. And that may be because it actually is traveling to other dimensions, than just the three/four we know. My question then, is why can’t we use it to communicate with these other dimensions (assuming there are people in these other hyper-3 dimensions–are there?)? And if the technology doesn’t exist now, will it ever?

Alternate quantum realities. Every possible reality that could exist, does. Gravity may not be a help here. But I have heard of the famous experiment with passing light thru one slit, then having it amazingly form a multitude of lines at the end of the box. This clearly shows me, at least, that although we can never go to these alternate realities, we at least can interact in some way. Am I wrong?

I also wanted to share this one experiment I saw on tv. Using a phenomenon called quantum tunneling. This(?) seems to be what I am talking about. But in the experiment I saw, this european physicist shot a stream of photons at a barrier. And at least one went faster than light, and he claimed he was able to send a message back in time. As I recall, it was a musical composition of some kind.

Anyways, as I’ve said, traveling to other dimensions, quantum realities and the like is clearly unlilkely, now at least. So what about communicating with them? After all, they probably have alot to share with us:).

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I was just going to add (anticipating any criticisms that may come), that, yes, I did have general relativity and quantum physics (to a much lesser degree, for some reason) in hs physics. And, yes, I did get a passing grade.

Still I can’t beat some of the stuff I learn on tv. It goes much further than my hs classes ever did.

Well the first step to communicating with other dimensions would be to dial’9’ for an outside line:p.

I’m pretty sure that when physicists use the term ‘dimension’, they don’t mean ‘world’ or ‘universe’, (as opposed to SF writers, who generally do).

People living in other dimensions? Why would there be? We don’t live in a dimension.

As already mentioned, separate ‘dimensions’ aren’t different types of space you can travel between. If the universe actually has 101 dimensions, we ALREADY exist in all 101 of them.

We don’t “live” in the 3rd dimension, as you seem to understand the notion of the 3rd dimension. The 3 dimensions are exactly what the word ‘dimension’ implies - 3 dimensions we can measure space with. It’s possible there are more dimensions to measure, but we’re physically ill equipped to perceive or measure them.

The classic example is an act on the surface of a balloon. The ant might ‘think’ it’s on a 2 dimensional surface, even if it’s actually a 3 dimensional world. Just because we can’t perceive extra dimensions doesn’t mean we aren’t already in them.

This is a misunderstanding of Young’s double slit experiment and possibly the many worlds interpretation. The experiment does NOT prove the existence of “alternate” realities

Back in time? Hasn’t happened yet, and quantum tunneling is not about alternate realities. And, as far as I know, we haven’t broken c at all.

There have been experiments that have used the quantum tunneling effect to produce a phase velocity faster than c, but that’s not the same thing.

If this experiment actually showed what you seem to think it did, I’d like to see a cite. It seems unlikely, and I’d like to think this sort of news would be more widespread, had it really occurred.

Quantum tunneling is a feature of our own mundane universe. In fact, quantum tunneling happens every day. As transistor sizes get smaller, we get more and more leakage current across the gates through tunneling effects. This is obviously bad, and it’s one of the challenges engineers have to deal with.

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I’m not sure why you think gravity should be stronger than it is but I’d like to remind you that gravity drops off with the square of the distance which is exactly what you’d expect from a force operating in 3 spatial dimensions and no more.

There are two completely different concepts that are sometimes referred to as “other worlds” or the like in modern physics. First, you’ve got the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. According to this interpretation, whenever a quantum event occurs, separate worlds split off, one for each possible outcome of the event. These different worlds would then represent alternate histories. The catch is that, first, this interpretation produces exactly the same results as any other interpretation of quantum mechanics (of which there are dozens), so it’s not really even meaningful to say whether it’s “correct” or not. And second, the mathematics depends crucially on it being absolutely impossible to communicate between these worlds: The model wouldn’t work otherwise.

The second sort of “other world” would be a separate three-dimensional space separated from our own along some other dimension. There’s no a priori way of saying whether there should be such spaces (or “branes”), or how many of them, but their existence might help shed some light on some puzzles in physics. It’s certainly very difficult to communicate with such branes, if they exist, as evidenced by the fact that we haven’t managed to do so yet, but there’s no fundamental reason to think it’s impossible, and it’s quite plausible that gravity might be able to do it. Such worlds might or might not have the same physical constants and so on as ours (some of the constants might vary from brane to brane, in some models), but aside from that, they wouldn’t bear any particular resemblance to ours (so no “everyone’s the same but evil and with a goatee”). Certainly, there’s no particular reason to expect that there would be a planet parallel to ours, or even if there were, that it would be inhabited.

Gravity is extremely weak compared to the other three fundamental forces, such as electromagnetism (which also falls off as the inverse square of distance). It’d be a lot tidier if all of the fundamental forces were “really” of comparable strength. And yes, one does have to account for the fact that gravity falls off as the inverse square, in such models: The simplest resolution would be if all of the extra dimensions were self-identified on very short length scales, in which case gravity would fall off as the inverse square on long length scales, but according to some higher power on short length scales. There have been some experiments to measure gravity at suitably short (less than a millimeter) scales, with no interesting results as yet (as you can imagine, such experiments are extremely difficult).

The most popular ‘brane world’ scenario is probably the so-called Randall-Sundrum model, which is built upon a warped five-dimensional geometry that is bounded by two four dimensional branes (actually, that is more specifically the RS1 model, there’s also a RS2 model which, confusingly, has only one brane).

The two branes differ in terms of their energy scale: one, the gravity- or Planckbrane, is characteristically at the Planck scale, while the other, the weak- or Tevbrane is at the scale of about one TeV, as the name implies, which is considerably lower than the Planck scale. The fields of the standard model, i.e. the matter particles, the electromagnetic force and the two nuclear forces, are confined to the Tevbrane, while gravity can propagate in the bulk – however, it’s strong on the Planckbrane, i.e. the graviton’s probability function is highest there, and drops of exponentially towards the Tevbrane, explaining its relative weakness. This exponential drop is related to the warping of the (five dimensional) bulk along the fifth dimension.

In this scenario, there wouldn’t be much of a point in trying to communicate with the other brane, as all that exists there would be (strong) gravity; I’m not sure you could build any structures out of just that which could acquire the necessary complexity for sentience. Although, I suppose one could add matter (and other) fields to the Planckbrane, but I’m not aware of any research in that direction.

As for the quantum tunnelling/speed of light experiment, there was a bit of a buzz generated by that a couple of years ago, and I think it was a Mozart symphony that has been transmitted. However, as far as I can tell, the consensus seems to be that the violation of the speed of light barrier is only an apparent one, that in fact, no information is being transmitted faster than c. Effectively, it took as long as it would usually take to send, receive, and interpret the information.

In fact, it’s similar to how one can achieve (apparent) faster than light speeds using classical effects in electromagnetism, by manipulating the ‘shape’ of the signal sent. Consider a propagating signal pulse:



       * *                                   * *
     *     *                               *     *
    *       *          --->               *       *
   *         *                           *         *
  *           *                         *           *
*               *                     *               *
        p                                     q


The whole thing moves at the speed of light, and so does the maximum, moving from point p to point q, such that p = q + ct, if t is the time the whole thing took.

But now consider a signal that gets narrower as it propagates:




       * *                                      *
     *     *                                   * *
    *       *          --->                   *   *
   *         *                               *     *
  *           *                             *       *
*               *                         *           *
        p                                     q r


The maximum now travelled farther than in the previous case in the same time, moving not only to q, but to r – it has travelled faster than light!

But, even though it’s tempting to see a violation of relativity here, again, there is no way to use this to transmit information FTL – since before the maximum arrives, the wave front does, which sets the signal speed (you don’t need to wait for the maximum to arrive in order to register a signal, once the wave front hits, you know one’s coming); and you’ll notice that, thanks to me spending way too much time counting spaces, the front of the wave packet travels the same distance in both cases – meaning the signal speed is again exactly c.

This is a bit like the flashlight-shone-onto-the-moon thought experiment: I shine a sufficiently strong light at the moon, and just a small flick of my wrist will send the light spot across the moon’s complete surface, at speeds far greater than that of light. But again, no information is transmitted in this case, as there is no way for somebody on the moon’s surface to modulate the light spot in such a way as to send somebody else a message.

That’s the most common thing that’s going on when you see an article in the paper about a purported FTL experiment, but there are several others that show up from time to time, too (in my experience, such an article seems to crop up about once or twice a year). And it’s worth noting that the first experiment that showed that effect, the conclusion of the researchers in the original paper wasn’t “this moves faster than light”, but rather that “this method of defining the speed of a wave isn’t valid”.

You can communicate via gravitational waves. According to the brane world concept, a vibrating mass will generate gravitational waves, some of which will leak into the higher-dimensional region (the bulk) in which branes reside. It will reach the next brane over. Each brane is a universe. [Imagine the branes as parallel sheets of paper floating in a room (the bulk).]

According to the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum theory, interation with alternate realities is the explanation for all quantum phenomena, including the double slit experiment that the stability of the atoms in your own body.

Moreover, if traversable wormholes exist, the Many Worlds Interpretation prevents time travel paradoxes (that their existence would cause) by having the ends of any wormhole time machine connect distinct parallel universes. If the time machine had a small (e.g. 1 nanosecond) time jump, this would essentially be a connection between contemporaneous parallel universes.

No. Suppose you had a long train move at its top speed. Then suppose that you started to disconnect the last car every minute. The center of mass of the train would move forward faster than the top speed of the train. That’s all that’s going on.

Source: The Physics of Stargates: Parallel Universes, Time Travel, and the Enigma of Wormhole Physicsby Enrico Rodrigo [Eridanus Press, New York 2010]

The problem with communicating with other dimensions is that then they know you’re there. Trust me on this one.