Commuter motorcycle

I know there’s some dopers here who are into bikes.

Have any of you done much commuting by motorcycle?

My commute consists of 1/3 city driving, 2/3 interstate, sometimes stop-and-go but mostly flowing. About 30 miles each way. I’m a pretty small guy, about 5’5", 150#.

For basics, what kind of size is a typical commuter bike? Is a 250 too small for everyday commuting? Are they uncomfortable?

Are there any bikes that small that also allow for storage?

Does commuting by bike only seem fun to someone who doesn’t do it? Is it really a pain in the ass?

Any ideas about bikes to look at? Does it make sense to buy used? I’ve always liked the styling of Hondas. I don’t like Harleys. I don’t like crotch rockets.

Anyway, thanks for any specifc thoughts on those questions or general thoughts.

I’d guess a 250 to be on the smallish side, but then, you’re also on the smallish side, so it may be fine.

All I can really advise on that is to find a bike you think you’d like and get a test ride on it.

You probably won’t have much room for any sort of storage, or even a place to bungee a briefcase or messenger bag to on a small bike.

If you’re in a state that allows lane-splitting, a skinny bike will suit you much better than a big one with saddlebags and fairings sticking out.

It’ll be a big pain in the ass when the weather turns cold or wet, and miserable when the weather is cold and wet.

Do you have a motorcycle license, or experience riding motorcycles in general? Where will you park it (is there a parking lot)?

Given your size and commute I would guess that a 250 would be fine, though if you ride 2/3rds of the time on the interstate you may want a 400cc or so bike just to feel more able to keep up with traffic. But if the typical speed on this highway is around 60-65 a 250 should still be OK.

I commute to work most days into Manhattan on a 200cc Vespa scooter (95% city riding, taking the highway for 1 or 2 exits at most), and it’s a blast. The CVT transmission (“twist-and-go”) is a nice thing to have for weaving through Midtown traffic, and can be parked unobtrusively (if illegally) on the sidewalk.

My father’s been using a motorcycle in good weather only for a few years now. He manages to ride about half the days he needs to go to work, and does save enough in gas to justify the cost of insurance, though not the cost of the bike. He’s about 5’10" 200, and has a largish bike that he’s considering selling for a smallish one. He has, if I recall, saddlebargs that are big enough to fit about a gallon of milk each, which is plenty for him, maybe not enough for you.

I don’t have a motorcycle license. I’m in the real early stages of even thinking about this. I think it would be fun and economical.

I was worried that a 250 might not be so stable feeling at 65+ (although I’ve gone 55 on my bicycle with no worries). I prefer going 80+ when I can in my car.

Some of those 250cc scooters would be perfect for me, if I’d heard they were better at speed.

The Suzuki Savage (now called the Boulevard S40) is a very good commuter bike. It’s what I use my 2005 model for.

It features:

– A big (650cc) single-piston engine (singles are a rarity nowadays, but I say it’s retro chic!)
– Air cooled engine (no radiator and accompanying fluids)
– Belt drive (no greasy chain and just as maintenance-free as a shaft drive)

All three of those things mean that maintenance is VERY easy. These things can run forever, and Suzuki has been making them for 20+ years (i.e., a good track record).

You say you don’t like crotch rockets, but everyone still needs a bike that has enough power to get out of emergency situations. The 650cc engine has 30 hp, and that provides more than enough torque to pull this 350-pound bike. So you’ve got plenty of power at low, middle and high speeds, but not so much that you can’t control it.

You won’t find a lighter bike out there, except for maybe the 250cc bikes like the Honda Rebel or the Yamaha Virago. And this 650cc bike costs about the same as those 250cc bikes: about $4,500 new.

And at only 350 pounds, the S40 handles divinely. You can push it into a turn very quickly, and it can stop on a dime. The bike’s lightness can be a drawback on the highways, however, since it can be affected by wind, including drafts from large trucks passing you in either direction.

Also, the top speed is about 85 mph, so if that’s a problem for your commute, take that into consideration. (Hey, I’m just being realistic about how fast some people go on the Interstate!)

Suzuki calls this a cruiser, because it’s got the same name as its other, bigger Boulevard models (which are true cruisers), but the riding position on the S40 is more like a standard. You sit upright, knees bent at about 90 degrees, and you ride high (“on top” of the bike) and not semi-reclined as you would on a true cruiser.

Anyway … can you tell I love my bike? :smiley:

Can stuff fit under the seat?

That looks like a nice choice. I’ve always liked the Honda Rebel and Hond Shadow, but I think the Shadow is a little underpowered for what I want.

This Savage might be a little overpowered, though. Although, the ability to go 85 is nice.

By the way, yes I can.

Do you work on it? I’m sure I’d enjoy working on a bike if I got one. You made it sound like it’s pretty easy.

They’re fine “at speed” as long as you define that as topping out at 65-70mph. When I ride on the highway for a couple of exits I’m usually doing around that speed, and it’s perfectly stable on 12" wheels. Larger scoots also exist that have 14" and even 16" wheels to go along with a larger engine and longer wheelbase (e.g., the Piaggio BV500 or the Aprilia Scarabeo 500, and the Suzuki Burgman and Honda Silverwing come in 650cc models).

Scooters also have underseat storage, which standard motorcycles typically do not, and modern scoots practically all have CVT (clutchless) transmissions, so the learning curve would be less - if you’re new to riding you might appreciate not having to shift gears (and worrying about stalling out).

Don’t make the mistake of assuming even 150cc scoots are toys, though – if you take a fall off a scooter at 45-50mph (the most likely scenario), it’s just as painful as if you took it coming off of a 1200cc Harley.

Either way, be sure to look up and sign up for a Motorcycle Safety Foundation course near you. In most states, passing the MSF New Rider course evaluation will get you a waiver for the road test, which is convenient, as well as providing you with a small standard motorcycle to learn on while teaching you to ride safely.

I had a Shadow 600, I don’t think they make them any smaller any more, and I’ve ridden the Rebel. The rebels have no power and you’d get lucky to push 60-65 on it. The Shadow will keep up with traffic no problem.

I would say for a first bike you wouldn’t want to go above a 600 for a sport bike, or 750-800 for any other type.

You can get away with any sized bike if you want for commuting. It depends on what you want to carry, but you can always get side bags and trunks. I’ve carried a lot of different items on my bikes, even heavy stuff like cat litter.

I’ve been commuting this year since late March early April, mostly because I’ve been getting up early and making it to work faster then by train. I’m planning on stopping the end of the month. It’s no worse then taking the car, but I like it more because I don’t pay for parking and I get better milage.

I would buy used because you will drop the bike at some point, even if it’s just in the parking lot you will. So little dents and stuff aren’t going to matter on a used bike.

I would say if you like the Shadow get one. The only reason I sold mine was because it was a bit too much in cost to keep two bikes, one of which I wasn’t riding. I had it for eight years and put 20-25k on it. Plus got 50-60mpg on it.

Good point. EXPECT to drop it at least once, and ironically, it will most likely be when parking. I knew a guy who made a mess of a brand-new Gold Wing just backing up to park. Scraped up the fairing, discolored the chrome as battery acid leaked out and burned his leg on the exhaust. What made it all the worse is that he’s a motorcycle safety instructor. :smack:

Another fellow dumped the bike when he put his foot down on some trash while parking curbside. It slid, and he was immediately ass over teakettle.

My credentials: I rode four different bikes over about 28 years. I sold my last bike a couple of years ago.

No, and here’s why. About 20 years ago I got a job in downtown Washington, DC, that required me to commute from Columbia, MD. (I don’t have to explain for Trunk, but for other readers, this is roughly equivalent in distance and road types to the commute he described.) At the time, my only vehicle was a motorcycle, and I had been riding for ten years. But, like you, I thought I would try making the trip on the bike and see if it was practical.

On the very first day, I pulled over on the BW parkway to help some people who were struggling to get a motorcycle off the road surface and on to the shoulder. These good samaritans had stopped to help a motorcyclist who had been knocked off his bike and was lying on the side of the road waiting for an ambulance.

Although not superstitious, I took this as a sign, and bought a car within the week.

YES! Unless some or all of the following conditions obtain, I would strongly advise against commuting by motorcycle:

[ul]You have a car you can switch to whenever you need to and with little difficulty. I.e., not your mom’s car 10 miles away that she may not be able to let you use for the whole day on a moment’s notice.

[li]You can choose to be late or absent to work with little notice and without repercussions. [/li]
[li]Your normal commute will not be during normal rush hour periods, or will be in light traffic (this appears to be contrary to what’s described in the OP.)[/ul][/li]
The issue, obviously, is weather. Riding in heavy traffic in rain, snow, sleet, or freezing conditions will drastically increase the chances of an accident. Putting yourself in a position where you have to choose between your safety and your job is, IMO, a Bad Idea.

Even if your commute were shorter and didn’t involve heavy traffic areas, there’s also the issue of weather and work clothes. My job in DC was a jacket-and-tie type position, and I think wearing a rain suit over that would have been a pain in the neck. Depending on what you’re expected to wear at the office, this may not be a deal killer, but it’s something to think about.

Finally, the thing that really worries me is that you have zero motorcycle experience going in. If you had been riding for years and wanted to start commuting, I would probably still recommend against it on general principles, but I would grant that at least you knew what you were getting into and had enough experience to provide a modicum of safety. But with no experience at all, you’re just walking into the lion’s den.

It’s not uncommon for novice riders to have accidents in their first year or two of riding. I did. But in two early accidents that came about due to my inexperience I was the only vehicle in the area. If I had gone down in rush hour traffic, I might not be here now to offer you my humble opinions.

Note that, facing a commute very similar to yours, and with ten years of riding under my belt, I decided to get a car.

If your primary reason for considering this is financial, IMO, the savings aren’t worth the risk to life and limb. If you just think it would be a fun thing to do, I’m here to say that in heavy traffic on rainy or snowy days, not so much. And no matter what your reasons, I don’t believe that a daily 30-mile commute is the best place to learn how to ride a motorcycle. You’re far too likely to find yourself in a situation that you won’t have the experience or reflexes to handle properly.

My two cents.

I love commuting on my Ninja 250. It’s the only 250 I would recommend to you. The engine and bike design hasn’t changed in over a decade and it still sells for around $3000, which is a real deal. Don’t let people convince you you need a monster machine for commuting. It takes a little getting used to on the freeway, but it’s built for high revving (redline is at like 13000 rpm) and can go 80 mph. Big trucks blow you around a bit, but you get used to it. Ergonomically it fits me perfectly. Mine gets around 80 miles per gallon. Take the Motorcycle Foundation class and you’ll be fine. To learn more about the Ninja 250, go to the message board at http://forums.ninja250.org These guys know everything about this machine.

Thanks all, especially commasense.

In response to some of your points.

I have flexible time to get to/from work.

I don’t need to dress up.

I do have a car.

Now, I definitely see what you’re saying about learning the bike in rush hour traffic on 95. That’s what I’m on the fence about. I always try to watch motorcycle behavior when I see them. I also think I’m well tuned in to how people behave in their cars. You may or may not think this applies, but I’ve also done quite a bit of bicycling in traffic. It at least it gets you into the mindset, “I’m invisible to cars”. It teaches you to ride with your head on a swivel, to stay aware of what’s behind you. It also teaches the nuances of handling a two-wheeled vehicle.

I’ve also gone down on it at 30 mph.

I know we’re talking a whole different ball game here, but it’s not nothing either.

Thanks for the input.

You couldn’t get away with not having a car around this area, at least not when it snows. I ride all the time and I wouldn’t try it.

I’m not sure I would pay attention to half the motorcycle riders. Some of them have no clue as to what they are doing. A course, which is hard to get into in Maryland, try going to Cumberland if you can, and a couple of books would be a better way to go.

It applies a bit, I sometimes ride bicycle and some things are the same, though it’s much easier to get out of the way on a motorcycle which is nice.

I don’t know what 95 is like, but 270 is bad, lots of stop and go traffic, even in the HOV lanes. If the traffic is moving, even slowly, it’s much better then the 70mph to 0 every other mile. I’ve been up and down 95 a few times and it doesn’t seem to be as bad as 270, but that could just be the times I’ve been. For what it’s worth I rode in today in the rain at 5:30.

Okay, good. In that case, I’d recommend that you get few years of riding under your belt and for the time being limit your commuting occasional to non-rush hour trips on fair weather days. If you want to commute later on, you’ll be better prepared.

Do try to get into a motorcycle safety course. I think many community colleges offer them. I know Howard Community College does. A friend of mine took it, and it includes taking your license exam.

Have fun, and be careful.

They offer a “Basic Rider Course” through the Glen Burnie MVA. And advanced courses. Once you do that, you can look into getting your license.

Cumberland is way too far away.

I also drive a stick. I don’t think that learning to use a clutch and gears on a bike would be very difficult.

I only suggested Cumberland because it has been very difficult to get into the MSF course. I know just a couple of years ago there were some places that were filled within hours. It could be different now though as I haven’t looked into the classes in a few years. I do know that Cumberland doesn’t fill up though. Plus it’s not that far, 140 miles or so, have a nice weekend. :slight_smile:

If you pass the class though you get your license with out having to take the state test. I’ll ask around and see what the wait is like as someone in the office took the class this year.

I’ve heard that the MVA’s courses and the ones that the Motorcycle Safey Foundation offers directly are all filled up way in advance. That’s why I think the community college option may be simpler. Cumberland is too far away, but Columbia isn’t, is it? And taking the licence exam as part of the class is way simpler than having to arrange for a licensed MC driver to bring your bike (or his) to the MVA so you can take the test there. (Unless they do it differently now that how it worked 30 years ago when I got my license.)

You understand the principles, but shifting gears with your left foot and engaging the clutch with your left hand is the opposite of what you do in the car (to say nothing of braking with your right hand and foot), and it takes a little while to master.

I saw an old Triumph on the road yesterday and noticed that the gearshift lever was on the right foot. I thought, “That would take some getting used to.”

What are these community college courses? You have a link?

If I was doing this, it wouldn’t be until next year anyway. I’d have plenty of advanced planning.