Company impersonating Microsoft? (Australian victim)

Hi my friend told me she bought Microsoft Office over the phone with a recurring credit card payment. She received a suspicious looking tax

invoice in the mail. It said Office 365 Home was AU$119 even though at Officeworks it is AU$77 for a box or card version for 1 user or AU

$87 for 5 users.

Though it has an ABN (Australian Business Number) and uses Australian currency the invoice has no Australian contact details. The only

contact details are a Singapore address and a link to https://billing.microsoft.com

I looked up the ABN:

It is called “Microsoft Regional Sales Corporation” and it is an “Other Incorporated Entity”

“…This category includes: …a branch of an overseas company not incorporated in Australia (often the name ends in corporation)”

Here’s a censored version of the tax invoice:

For her details her full name was in lower case.

The logo at the top and on the envelope is an old Microsoft logo

The logo was changed in 2012:
https://karthiklog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ms-logos.jpg

I would have expected the logo used to be up to date.

The Microsoft logo at the top of the invoice is very low-res - the copyright symbol isn’t really visible, etc.

Here’s the envelope:

The envelope has a contact phone number and fax but those contact details aren’t on the invoice.

Also though it says the sender is from Singapore it appears to have been posted from Europe.

I was wondering if anyone thinks this could really be Microsoft? Maybe I can get the credit card charge refunded.

Not the same, but I get regular scammers on the phone claiming to be from “Windows” or Microsoft. I guess because they are so well known, and many people are rather naive about this stuff, they will continue to be a target.

bob++:

Actually a phonecall was involved.

Much of Microsoft Australia business fulfillment is out of Singapore - or at least SE Asia. However,

All you need to worry about in Australia is whether you are paying an Australian Entity. Tax invoices from O/S don’t work. You need an Australian Tax invoice with an Australian ABN on it. If you don’t get one it is at least a Grey Market supply and possibly a scam.

You mentioned a recurring charge. Is the $119 the total of twelve monthly payments? Because in the US, Office 365 Home is $9.99 per month or $99.99 per year. So the price might be legitimate, although I’d shop around. Usually, software bought directly from the publisher is at full list price but you can get discount at retailers.

Why were there virtually NO contact details? (except for phone/fax on the envelope)
Why was the logo out of date and very low res? Why is the tax invoice in the Times font?
Why did it seem to be posted from Europe? (see envelope)

So are you saying that it isn’t a proper tax invoice? Why would Microsoft be unable to do one?

By “recurring” I mean that she would be automatically billed every year.

Here it says that Office 365 Home for 5 people is AU$119 and for 1 person it is $89.
http://products.office.com/en-au/buy

So they got the charge right - well it was for 5 users though the invoice didn’t mention it.

BTW the envelope only contained the tax invoice

I thought it would include a serial number or instructions about activating Office.

I’m also worried that my friend spent AU$119 for nothing.

Why would anyone buy software over the phone?

I’ve got calls from time to time from someone with an Indian accent purporting to be from Microsoft wanting details of my password and so on so they can “update” my software or else “install critical security fixes”. When I ask them to convince me that they are legit, they invariably fail to do so.

It doesn’t help their case much when it sounds to me like it is the same individual making the calls each time.

I got that call last night as a matter of fact. I usually keep them on the line for as long as possible pretending to do everything they say until they get to the point where they ask me to read something personal off of my computer. Then I go all dumb for a while and try to get them to start over. After about 30 minutes or so I tell them that my computer keeps popping up a message.
When the guy asks what the message says I say, “It says that I just kept an idiot from a third world country on the line thinking that he’s going to scam me”. The conversation gets quite colorful at that point.

I had an online chat with a guy from Microsoft’s billing department but he couldn’t access the pics and he wouldn’t give me an email from someone who does have normal Internet access. He referred me to technical support but he thought it might be from Microsoft. He said I could contact billing or ring them up and they might give their email address for me to send the pics. Since she was charged $119 it looks like it is for 5 users. When I call Microsoft I’ll ask to have the subscriptions set up since it has already been paid for. Then I’ll know if the tax invoice really was from Microsoft.

Does the software work when you log into your Microsoft Account with your log-in details?

If you can manage your installs - then yes, your software is legit.

If it was bought directly from Microsoft or some 3rd party, that’s unclear and another story.

If your worried, you can stop the renewal within the Microsoft Account and once it’s up for renewal, go to a shop and purchase a Office 365 activation card and use that code to renew the license.

Office 365 5 User costs here in Ireland €99 (Au$ 137.85) - AU$119 is €85.45

Asking them to tell you what OS you are running makes them hang up fast.
Asking if their mother knows that her son is a criminal gets lots of colorful language.
And they have heavy Indian accents and call themselves Bob. When I say “Hi Sanjay” they hang up fast also.

But this is a different scam.

In the US at least credit card companies are good about telling you who the charge went to. I’ve called about charges that looked suspicious but which turned out to be okay.
Has she been able to activate the software? That doesn’t mean it is legit, it could be bootlegged, but is at least something.

When I get the call they say they are calling about “Windows.” I always act as though I am really glad to hear from them, as I need “help with windows” and then continue to ask questions about replacement windows for my house, such as energy efficiency, price, etc., ignoring their many attempts to correct me about why they are calling. Eventually they hang up in frustration.

I was 100% certain that it was a scam but it looks like it isn’t!

I rang the Singapore phone number and here is some of it:

http://drdanick.com/legowolf3d/microsoft-singapore.mp3

The recording said to visit www.microsoft.com/singapore and it redirected me to their latest Singapore site.

I found this:

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msaus/en_AU/DisplayTermsOfUseAndSalePage/

The call centre is really slick and professional. It is very weird that the tax invoice wasn’t. Like I’ve mentioned before the tax invoice has absolutely no contact details (except for their physical address). Luckily the girl kept the envelope which had the phone number.

BTW I talked to the girl’s mum and she said a “friend” organised it for her about 1.5 years ago and the mum isn’t going to let the company have any money and maybe try and take them to court.

I told my dad about this thread and he told me about the latest news:

They are trying to minimize costs and that explains the poor quality of the tax invoice.