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What the hell does that even mean? Immigration *by definition *can’t happen unless the person is *not *a citizen of your country already. When I came home from Japan, I didn’t fucking *immigrate *here.
When you tried to glue the concept of citizenship onto the historical era of original settlement you made it sound like no one should come here if they weren’t already a citizen, and we didn’t even have citizens back then. When I read my own stuff, it seems clear enough to me (of course, I’m the one who wrote it, but, details, details) and I figured you’d get the gist. But I still submit that drawing too hard a line on who comes in and who doesn’t works ill for all, especially economically. Not that there shouldn’t be some strictures and guidelines, but you seem to take either a paranoid or an aristocratic edge, drawing hard boundaries that I don’t believe can work to the widest benefit. I know, there are counters to that argument, and it only grinds to a non-resolution to keep beating the same dead horse. I’m beginning to see your premise and the logic behind it but, as it stands, I still have some disagreements. But, then, if we didn’t disagree, it wouldn’t be such an interesting world.
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“No shit, sherlock. Undocumented workers do a lot of hard, unpleasant, or even nasty–but necessary–jobs in the U.S. right now. I’d rather they be doing those same jobs as citizens and/or guest workers, with rights and protections.”
Maybe *you * would rather see this, but not all migrants feel the same way. I know this because I have worked elbow-to-elbow with these people and a lot of them are perfectly okay with the status quo. They don’t make a lot of money, but they feel protected under the auspices of anonymity. I’m not for widespread mayhem and chaos, either, but, so far, it doesn’t seem to have degraded quite that far. There still seems to be a certain amount of balance that continues to work in its own wierd way. 'Course, you have a lot of supporters – people in my own milieu who aggressively agree with you. I’m not claiming to be one who says, “I’m right all the way and, if you disagree with me, you’re wrong!” I just calls 'em the way I sees 'em.
Did I mean what? That I think the Xanth series is crap not fit for anyone over the age of 15? Hell yes.
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Well, opinions are like assholes – everyone has one, and they all stink. In fact, I think I can smell yours from here and I’m beginning to wretch.
I used to read Piers Anthony several years ago and enjoyed his stories. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem that I don’t. Go wallow in it.