If you can’t pay attention, you’ll have to stay after school and clean erasers.
US immigration laws restrict immigration into the US.
Immigration is the flow of citizen of other countries into this country to establish residency.
In large measure, other countries have concentrations of particular ethnic groups.
Laws that restrict immigrations thus disadvantage other ethnic groups.
Laws that arbitrarily* restrict immigration, yes. However, there’s nothing to say we couldn’t just have, say, a lottery, open to any applicants, and whoever wins gets in.
*or on the basis of national origin, in-demand skill, etc.
Even a random lottery would have an as-applied disproportionate effect on certain ethnic groups, because of the disproportionate representation of those certain ethnic groups outside the borders of the country.
In simpler terms, the people outside that want to get in are not distributed evenly across all known ethnic groups. Any restrictions at all on getting in thus disfavors come ethnic groups more than others.
Then you grant lottery applications on the basis of demand. 1,000,000 Mexican applicants get 1,000 lottery tickets, while 1,000 Australian applications get 1 ticket, and so on.
I can’t decide if I wouldn’t rather lean towards “my father’s many Mehican workers” territory.
What is *up *with all the fucking racists coming out of the woodwork on this board recently?
That’s fucking retarded. By this “logic,” LGBT people are “disfavored” when it comes to getting jobs, because there are more straight people.
You can either restrict immigration to your country by various rules and expectations, which is not immoral, its your country and its you who have made it wealthy.
OR, you can allow unrestricted immigration and pretty soon it won’t be a wealthy country or the land of opportunity…
It will be another third world country.
I’ve said this before, but I’m always sceptical of the people ardently defending immigration at will to the U.S. when they portray themselves as liberal, defenders of human rights.
How many of these people are actually either illegal immigrants themselves, would be I.M.s, related or friends with I.M.s ?
Or for that matter are unscrupulous employers who exploit them as semi slave labour.
I’ve no doubt that for every person who has a nice house there are plenty more who think that for some reason they too have some sort of moral right to live in that persons house regardless of the fact that they have played no part in its construction and regardless of the opinions of the house owners.
I suspect that the house owners would disagree.
No, you.
Please come back when you understand … um, anything.
If disproportionately more LGBT people wanted jobs than straight people, and jobs were awarded by lottery, then the lottery system would in fact disfavor LGBT people.
If you need help with any of the big words, consult your local librarian. Then, have sex with a donkey.
**I’m **always skeptical of people who make retarded statements about the complex subject of immigration. How many of these people are actually racists themselves, would-be racists, or related to or friends with racists?
Note: I fixed your grammar in my parody, too.
Sigh. Fine, I’ll fucking draw it out for you.
Let’s imagine there are two non-US populations, Obbits and Weegils. There are 100 Obbits, and 50 of them want to come to the U.S (50%). There are 1,000 Weegils, and 200 of them want to come to the U.S (20%).
At this time, the U.S. is willing to accept 100 new immigrants. So there are 100 openings for these 250 hopefuls, and they will be awarded by lottery. On average, 20% of the new immigrants will be Obbits, because they make up 20% of the applicant pool. 80% will be Weegils.
But that entire line of thought is a red-fucking-herring, because each individual applicant, whether Obbit or Weegil, has exactly the same chance to be allowed to immigrate: 100/250, or 40%. You’ll note that 40% of the hopeful Obbits immigrated (20), as did 40% of the hopeful Weegils (80).
The only time a lottery like this would “disfavor” a population is if there was some kind of quota imposed based on, say, population size of the countries people were emigrating from–but *that *wasn’t part of your scenario.
So, I guess my question here is, what the fuck do *you *mean by “disfavor”?
Yes, each individual applicant has the same chance. We may safely say, then, that no individual applicant is disfavored by the lottery.
But we were discussing not individual applicants, but ethnic groups. In your case, the scenario you craft doesn’t quite match reality, in that the larger group in real life also has the most hopefuls. In your case, the more numerous Weegils inexplicably desire to stay home, as a rule, with only 20% of them interested in immigrating. In real life, the more numerous populations ALSO contain the largest percentages of hopeful immigrants, making the disparity a bit more clear. had you crafted your analogy to match this reality, the disfavorable treatment would have been clearer.
Hence the assignment of lottery tickets based on the number of applications, and not the absolute number of eligible applicants, as I suggested in Post #164.
Except I was responding to this:
I crafted the scenario so that a *larger percentage *of the *smaller group *wanted to immigrate.
And because you apparently missed the question the first time, and I *still *can’t tell what the hell you’re getting at:
Bricker, Putting it another way.
Suppose I opened up a Best Buy in Annacostia, and had a promotion in which the 100 people could get a iPhone for $50. A large line forms up outside my shop made up of 200 blacks and 60 whites. One way I could distribute the iPhones is to just give them to the first 100 people who show up (say 77 blacks and 23 whites). The second way is to give phones to the first 50 black people and to the first 50 white people. As a lawyer, Bricker, which method do you think would be more likely to get me a discrimination law suit.
Note, I’m not going to strongly argue that immigration should be one way or another, but to say that it need be so ethnically biased seems to me to be incorrect.
Tell that to the Guatemalans who are trying to get into Mexico to work.
But the vast majority of people wishing to immigrate are in fact from different ethnic groups. Any restriction will affect them disproportionately to the majority of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants already in the United States. It’s true that, compared to each other, they may be equalled disfavored. Compared to the majority group within the United States, ALL of them will be disfavored.
Gosh you certainly got me there !
Except as a racist I’ve always been a total supporter of Obama !
Check my posts .
Except as a racist I’ve always attacked racism !
Check my posts.
So when are U.S. Immigration checking out your relation ?
I’m not actually going to stoop to calling you a retard because you disagree with me .
I’ll leave that to you and your friends.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN
SERIOUSLY FUCKING GOD DAMMIT EXPLAIN WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT because I sure as hell can’t figure it out.
Unless you mean “disfavored” simply in the sense of “there will still be no single ethnic group in the U.S. larger than the great conglomerate of white folks.”
I’m white. I was born in the U.S. My entire family going back for generations was born in the U.S. (I think you have to go back to at least great-great-great grandparents before you hit anyone who wasn’t, and that would be a man who emigrated from Ireland during The Hunger.) I’m descended from the first white male born in the Wisconsin Territory, even. None of my friends living in the U.S. are here illegally and I can only think of one who isn’t a citizen (he’s French and a permanent resident); none of my friends outside the U.S. have any desire to move here.
Try again, you racist shitstain.
Further notes: I don’t care what you claim for yourself–I care about what your words demonstrate. And there are plenty of people who voted for Obama who still call him a nigger–you wanna try to tell me they’re not racist, too?
I heard there were people who voted for Obama just in the hope that someone will take a pot-shot at him. This “right to vote” lark still needs a bit of work on it.
Of course you are.
I never for one moment thought that you were a lieing pathetic piece of
filth trying to pass yourself off as something you are not .
Honestly.
Little shits like you defeat your own cause.
You really. really are the most pathetic expressions of those you would wish to represent .
I know African Americans are the future.
Nasty gutless,drunk, pieces of total filth like you aren’t.
Try growing up,try being an adult.
And you MIGHT, just MIGHT get some respect instead of being considered a sad little druggie who hits the bottle as well.
Fuck off you sad little vagina.
Talk to me when you’ve grown a pair of balls.
You pathetic sad little diaper wearer.
And then, with a mighty effort that could be seen in the muscles and veins on his neck tightening, threatening to burst, and his tongue pushing out of his mouth toward his ear, Shot From Guns achieved his goal and dialed up the stupid beyond 11, reseting the bar for humanity at 12.
Newsflash: wanting to control illegal immigration—including the efforts in Arizona and Utah—does not equal RACISM! Are you truly unable to digest that fact?